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LongHairedRedneck wrote:

bronco78 wrote: Oh wait..... I cant just look, it's not my gun, I don't have the case, and both are in another town with the owner.. My apology's if that was not clear in the previous posts..

I acknowledge, the various requests for information, as it becomes available I'll add it to the thread.

But you can ask

That will help to figure out what caused the weapon to fire

LongHairedRedneck wrote:

LongHairedRedneck wrote:Stll would like to know what the primer on the spent casing looked like. Normal indentation? Crushed? Light strike? no marking at all?

Is the author of this thread going to answer this???

This will help in determining if you had a true slam fire or a malfunction which led to firing when the weapon came into battery.

Big Tuna wrote:1. All guns are always loaded.
2. Never let the muzzle cover anything you are not willing to destroy.
3. Keep your finger off the trigger until your sights are on the target.
4. Always be sure of your target.

At least one rule was broken in this story. Maybe more.

CompVest wrote:There has been some petty and borderline personal attacks on this thread. I sincerely hope that the two members participating in this are finished or the thread will be finished.

Excaliber wrote:

bronco78 wrote:I have not yet asked about model,,, I may call today and find out.

Yes, the weapon was pointed down along side his leg, "toward the ground in a safe direction" Obviously, angled toward his leg.. Yes a mistake, one he paid for. A Mistake that should never have happened,, of that there is no debate.

I have seen many a shooter in the calm environment of range time, practice perfect weapons handling, to include during "competitions" only to flag another or them selfs when in a real fight. We learn from it and move on.... Those who believe they are trained beyond that reality, are mistaken, and or Jeff Cooper Delta Force / Seal team experienced. An honest personal will acknowledge that while practice in training is vital, and greatly increases ones ability to do the same under stress, it is not in any way absolute.

Weekend shooters... sorry, your not as trained as you think you are. I know you will disagree, I know you feel you know better,, I know I've witnessed things that have formed my opinion in 24 years of doing this for a leaving. None of that is a flame to anyone, just my experience.
I agree the gun needs to be inspected.. I'm leaning to a Sig trained armorer vice SIG.. as the private shop may be willing to see and describe the malfunction part(s) ((If they exist, I'm still not sure this was not a rule 3 deal..... seen it countless times)) while the company owned armorer I'd think would be more likely to replace several offending parts yet not be willing to state these replaced parts could definitively be the cause of an unreproducible slam fire.

Lastly.... I'm going to ask if I can borrow the weapon.. I'll do some snap cap dry fire testing, want to look at the maintenance, and then do some live fire testing.... The guy in question is not law suite happy, I think he knows, even if the weapon did malfunction.....if all else had gone as it should have, the result would have been a round striking the ground (which could have still caused damage)

Thanks to all for the replys.....

It's also worth noting that if your friend had used the more reliable hand over the top of the slide grip to release the slide instead of using the slide stop lever, it would have been nearly impossible to execute this maneuver in a way that put the gun in a position to wound himself in the manner he did.

FUNCTIONING • 12. METHOD OF OPERATION.-a. A loaded magazine is placed in the receiver and the slide drawn fully back and released, thus bringing the first cartridge into the chamber. (If the slide is open push down the slide stop to let the slide go for- ward.)

b322da wrote:I must admit in advance that I am not familiar with the Sig. As an old, and I mean "old," M1911 guy I was disturbed by the initial report stating "...as I let go of the slide release it slam-fired."

Does this weapon have a "slide release" or a "slide stop?" Use of poor terminology can lead to a bad practice. For example, in the case of the M1911 calling a slide stop a slide release can lead to using it as a slide release rather than jacking the slide with the weapon pointed in a safe direction to put one in the breech. 59 years ago my Gunny made one who did this suffer -- badly.

Please forgive me if my ignorance about the particular handgun has led me astray.

More important though, regardless of the identity of the weapon, long or short, is never point it at any part of your body, or any part of the body of another person, loaded or unloaded, unless it is intentional and you are prepared to fire. Perhaps this is what other commentators have called "#1" or #2," or such, labels with which, once again, I am unfamiliar.

Respectfully,

Elmo

AdioSS wrote:Always make sure the muzzle is pointed away from anything of much importance, especially when releasing the slide. I try to direct the muzzle downward and close to something like a couch or something.