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Keith B wrote:

Roger Howard wrote:

Keith B wrote:Personally, if i could figure out how to carry a handgun with 12ga slugs in it, that would be my preferred round to stop someone with due to the mass and diameter of the slug. When you are in a gunfight, cutting off fractions of seconds on ending the fight means the possibility of you living versus dying.

If the judge in .410 wasn't so big, I would carry one of those.

I am not a fan of the Judge overall. .410 shot shells are just not that great for defense. A .410 slug is only a little over .38 caliber and the heaviest one is about 110 grains. .38 caliber bullets are around 158 grain, and .40 caliber tops out around 180 grain. They match energy-wise at close range, but the Kinetic Energy drops off really fast when you go out in distance. Even with a .45 Long Colt round, they are not really set up for defense in that you can get just as much bang for your buck with a .45 ACP, and it's much faster to shoot and reload, and have a much lighter gun.

So, while it sounds like it might be a great defense gun, I think there are much better choices, even for use in hunting with a handgun.

Here's a pretty good article on the .410 slug and energy/transfer http://mcb-homis.com/slug_410/

Charles L. Cotton wrote:I have a digital food scale to use for weighing guns and related gear. Here are some weights that you may (or may not) find interesting. All weights are in ounces for a fully loaded handgun.

• Gov't Model 1911 .45ACP (8rd mag. +1): 45.39 oz.
  Stainless Commander 1911 .45ACP (8rd mag. +1): 43.28 oz.
  Light weight Commander 1911 .45ACP (8rd mag. +1): 36.79 oz
  Officer's Model 1911 (all steel) .45ACP (7rd mag. +1): 39.43 oz.
  Kimber Untra Carry 1911 (3" barrel) .45ACP (7rd mag. +1) 30.33 oz.
  CZ75 Compact PCR (aluminum frame) 9mm (14rd mag. +1): 33.72 oz.
  
  8rd .45ACP mag with 230 gr. JHP: 8.28oz.

Just to show how chasing the lighter weight gun can exalt form over substance, the weight difference between a Gov't (5") model and a lightweight Commander is just slightly over the weight of a loaded 8rd mag.

Chas.

Keith B wrote:Personally, if i could figure out how to carry a handgun with 12ga slugs in it, that would be my preferred round to stop someone with due to the mass and diameter of the slug. When you are in a gunfight, cutting off fractions of seconds on ending the fight means the possibility of you living versus dying.