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by Ol Zeke
Fri Apr 09, 2010 1:32 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Legal for Police to lie?
Replies: 67
Views: 11501

Re: Legal for Police to lie?

The Annoyed Man wrote:About the lying part, YES, the police can lie to you.
I’m not arguing with the correctness of what you say but I find this very disheartening.
I grew up (some 50 years ago) being taught that the policeman is your friend. He’s there to help you if you need it. There was no indication that this was going to change, when we grew up. That’s the way my kids were taught and now my grandkids.

If my family or I need to ask someone a question about a simple point of legality, why should we be afraid to ask a cop? After all he could be lying. Knowingly and deliberately lying. Just to get you to do what he thinks you should do.

Frankly, it has been my experience with most officers, that they are good decent people. So, it really makes me sad to realize that our system of justice has digressed to this point. Beware; the police are more interested in making arrests than they are in helping you!

:headscratch
What do I tell my grandkids? “Sorry guys, I was wrong. Not all policemen are like your Dad (or Uncle). You must be careful what you tell them. They have no interest in the truth (a concept that is hard to teach children, anyway). They must first believe you to be the victim, before they will help you. Give them only name, rank and serial number.”

I know this sounds extreme. I don’t think there are any cops out there who are trying to arrest children. But it makes a much neater package when, what we were taught growing up, continues through our adult life (as long as we obey the law and are ‘good’ people).

How did we get to this point and, more importantly, how do we get back (or at least better)?

Sorry for the rant. This makes me depressed. Think I’ll go get a beer.

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by Ol Zeke
Fri Apr 09, 2010 11:52 am
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Legal for Police to lie?
Replies: 67
Views: 11501

Re: Legal for Police to lie?

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OK… I agree. The guy is definitely a few seeds shy of a watermelon.

But, forget the stupid video for a second.

In the text below the video it states that it is not illegal for the police to lie to you.

My question is;

Is it really OK for a policeman to knowingly and deliberately miss-state the statutes in an effort to get you comply (Do what he wants you to do)?

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by Ol Zeke
Fri Apr 09, 2010 10:01 am
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Legal for Police to lie?
Replies: 67
Views: 11501

Re: Legal for Police to lie?

Annoyed,

I agree. He definitely is not acting in his own best interests. He obviously (and IMO 'unwisely') was looking for a fight.

But I was floored by the comment that it is perfectly legal for the police to lie about the law, in order to get what they want ... from a law abiding citizen?

I'm gonna have to ask my Son-in-law about this next time I see him.

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by Ol Zeke
Fri Apr 09, 2010 9:21 am
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Legal for Police to lie?
Replies: 67
Views: 11501

Legal for Police to lie?

I found this on another forum and while I'm not a proponent of open carry (I don't believe it should be agains the law, however) I was disturbed by part of the comments below the video. Specifically, " .... the police are legally allowed to lie to you....". :shock:

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While the young man was probably acting within his rights, I'm not sure it was in his best interest (I probably would have caved and shown my ID).

I do find it disturbing that Police can legally lie to an otherwise law abiding citizen, in hopes of getting something on them. Lying to an actor who has committed an offense ... could be different.

I've noticed several LEO's on the site and wondered what your take is?

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