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Yes, yes, I get it, the selection of the word "requires" was inappropriate.

I must be liked on these forums with all the nitpicking my post got

The Annoyed Man wrote:

lkd wrote:No, I have a shoulder rig that I keep for an "emergency situation" where it's impossible to carry at my waist. It's only happened once when I was in Washington in the winter, and there was no power for 5 days. It was too cold to carry at the waist and draw with any ease, so I went to shoulder. I'm very uncomfortable with shoulder carry, because it requires a dangerous "muzzle sweep", arcing the muzzle from the back to the front. With clothing in the way and likely enduring a "scared stimulus response", your chances of shooting yourself (or ones you intended to protect) go up considerably with a shoulder draw. I only shoulder carry as a final resort.

Not so. READ THIS THREAD. There is a demonstration of the proper technique for drawing from a shoulder holster without sweeping anything.

That's an awesome thread and an excellent visual aid, definitely "a keeper". I think my continuing concern is that, without a conscious training regimen like you've cited, the shoulder draw is more dangerous than a more natural hip draw. You could find similar concerns with SOB holsters.

I'd like to point out that _any_ type of carry necessitates practicing drawing, and that such practicing should be done with no ammo/snap caps until you're VERY certain that you can do it instinctively, and that you should maintain a conscious effort to note how the muzzle sweeps as you draw and bring your sights into alignment. A misdirected discharge in a firefight is the last thing you want to happen, especially if you have loved ones behind or beside you.

I was pointing out to somebody in a PM that a belly band has it's own set of issues. Trigger guard concerns aside, there's a natural tendency in an adrenaline-charged situation to really press down on the gun as you form a drawing grip. With a belly band, you don't have clips/belt that keep your gun in an ideal vertical alignment, so the gun grip bows outward slightly as the band stretches, causing the muzzle to point inward on a draw.

Just sayin

No, I have a shoulder rig that I keep for an "emergency situation" where it's impossible to carry at my waist. It's only happened once when I was in Washington in the winter, and there was no power for 5 days. It was too cold to carry at the waist and draw with any ease, so I went to shoulder. I'm very uncomfortable with shoulder carry, because it requires a dangerous "muzzle sweep", arcing the muzzle from the back to the front. With clothing in the way and likely enduring a "scared stimulus response", your chances of shooting yourself (or ones you intended to protect) go up considerably with a shoulder draw. I only shoulder carry as a final resort.

LOL! Took wife and stepson to see Megamind yesterday afternoon, then out for dinner. When we got home, I reached behind my back and un-velcroed my Galco belly band that held my Glock 23 (Gen4) and 2 extra magazines and took it out. My wife's eyes got wife and said, "You were carrying that?!" I looked at her puzzled, "Yes, of course." She just smiled and said, "I didn't even notice, even then I had my arms around you and hugged you earlier." I think she was impressed that everything packed away so neatly and was unobtrusive. I love her