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Well, show's over.

Our illustrious AG's office did nothing (again).

We have almost a full year until it starts again in 2017.
We need to really work on the AG's office and push them to get moving on their job of enforcing the law. Not just for the Rodeo, but for all public places that are trying to prevent us from exercising our right on public property.

FWIW, yesterday's security was even more of a joke. I didn't carry because I didn't want to get sent back to my car, but I could have easily. They didn't care when the magnetometer went off and didn't wand me afterwards. I have a committee badge which they could blame the magnetometer's sound for, so I could have easily carried. Oh well.

Hopefully next year, it's clearly a non-issue as the AG better had do his job!!

Thanks for the clarification.

I found information about him on this page:

https://texasattorneygeneral.gov/crimin ... crim.shtml

This 'argument' that the law isn't clear is a ridiculous statement. I think they don't want the fight and are slow-playing each of these.

Bill wrote:Just got off phone with Captian Lucas, the complaint has been received and sent to the attorneys, he said they really have not ironed things out yet, and could take some time with the lawyers. He stated the law was not well written and the attorneys must hash this out. He thinks the law allows a lessee to have full control of 3006and 3007 in or on government property's. I am not sure his opinion matters if he follows the law but I would want a pro gun person in his position. He is the person in charge of this operation. And yes there has not been one fine issued as of yet. So do not count on this going anywhere. Maybe some day
Bill

Who is Captain Lucas? And sent to what attorneys?
Sorry, just looking for clarification on who is acting on this.

TreyHouston wrote:who fights these unfair and flat our wrong actions. Do the NRA lawyers get involved with this stuff or is it mainly simple people like us?

Well, it is supposed to be our Attorney General, but he's apparently worthless at enforcing the teeth that were put into law this year. I'm so frustrated with him…

mr1337 wrote:

Iunnrais wrote:I'm not sure about a formal complaint but when I spoke with a committeeman Saturday, his opinion was that the rodeo could enforce whatever they wanted and if the state felt like fining the city $10k a day then it would be money well spent. This was based on the fact that alcohol was being served on-site and they had no intention of allowing guns and alcohol to mix.

Some people don't realize that not everyone at a place that serves alcohol will partake in drinking the nectar of the gods.

If they won't budge, neither should we. Keep those complaints going to the AG, let him fine the county $10k/day.

The signs are not enforceable either way.

Agreed.

The Rodeo is rich with cash. It's also run by a bunch of political muckety mucks who would be happy to either make it a fight or pay the money.
Here they are, with the stated purpose of raising money for kids' scholarships, yet they see $10K/day as "money well spent" on illegal signage.
The funny thing is, the cash will come from the county, not the Rodeo. The county would then have to fine the Rodeo for continuing with the unenforceable signs.

I have a friend who is one of the Directors (there are like 12 Directors in all) and he said he was just leaving it to the "legal committee". I told him the legal committee was way off base on this one, and they were wrong.

The whole thing is a mess now too. Getting in the BBQ was a nightmare. These mindless zombies with their wands who have no idea what they're doing are bogging down the entrance, and those of us licensed, are unable to carry without at least a fight on our hands.

I had to park quite far on Saturday night, and I was NOT happy that I was 'forced' to walk exposed and unable to defend myself when arriving and leaving the BBQ. This had better get 'fixed' before next year!

txyaloo wrote:I just walked in. The magneto meters are beeping, but they're letting people walk on through without secondary checks. Pretty ridiculous security theater

I'm here for second day. Lady stopped me with her wand and I just said, "No thanks. I'm good."

She looked a little surprised but didn't stop me as I kept walking. I'm wearing a sport coat, hat, and badges etc so that may have helped but still...

This is the "wand" check that you must walk through. If it's crowded, you can slip right through without them even getting near you as they're overwhelmed.

I agree that it's not a good idea to try and get away with carrying even though it's legal to do so, but if someone elected to try, it would not be difficult.
The people in yellow are paid employees, not volunteers, who are using the wands.
This is the south entrance coming over 610 from the holy grounds of what was once Astroworld.

Pic of the 30.06 sign… people are in front of the 30.07.

Pictures later but wow.
Big signs on ticket booths. 30.06 and 30.07.

Then, you walk through wands. The funny thing is, they're not wanting at a gate but just in a walkway.
I walked right by and waved them away when one lady came over to wand me. I'm not carrying but out of principle.

It would be easy to walk through for anyone who just keeps walking. It's the slow and those who almost volunteer to be wanted who get beeped.

Literally about to walk in. Not carrying as I may want some cerveza with my BBQ, but ready to take pics of signs and report back.

I'm so unimpressed with our new AG, that it's hard to express.
Pathetic.

Lena wrote:Per the post title OC: why not just cover up and enjoy the outing ? That's what I would do.

They wand you on the way in if you're not on a committee.
In the past, you just showed your CHL to the LEO and he/she would let you in. Now, I'm sure they'll act like they always have at gun shows on public property and buy the idiotic line that it's illegal just because there's a sign (disregarding that it's unenforceable and now illegal).

Part of my wants to try and carry, then politely object if the LEO doesn't let me in and I **almost** want the Class C ticket, so it could go to court.
It's a small part of me, but it's there!

We need as many AG complaints as possible. Pass this to all your 2A friends. Everyone on this board should do this.

Dan20703 wrote:Received my response from HLSR:

Howdy!

The Houston Livestock Show and Rodeo, in an effort to provide a safe environment and promote a family-friendly atmosphere at the city’s iconic entertainment event, will prohibit concealed and open carry of handguns by private citizens at the 2016 Show.

The ban includes the WCBBQ as well.

Thanks.

Time to do the formal AG filing now. Nice work!