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gigag04 wrote:
It's also (and more commonly) known as the technical data package - the original specs and requirements for an m-4 or AR. If it's not a Colt (who owns the plans) then it literally is a copy. Firms that license the design for .mil production pay Colt a royalty and cannot use or sell a rifle built from it for commercial purposes.

Thanks! I hadn't heard about that before.

gigag04 wrote:

What the Technical Design Plan is

What is that? I knew the rest, but that one was not one I'm familiar with.
(just bought my first AR a week ago... but have been reading and studying for a month or more)

The Annoyed Man wrote:

G192627 wrote:Just note... I wasn't using 'tier 1'. I was saying how it's used by folks on the boards of AR sites.

No, I understand that. My rant wasn't aimed at you, sorry if you took it that way. it was aimed at fanboys on websites who insist that if it ain't a [insert name of holy wazoo triple lindy weapon which is the favored choice of special forces operators], it ain't nuthin. My guess is that most of them still live with their mothers and don't have a girlfriend.

Just note... I wasn't using 'tier 1'. I was saying how it's used by folks on the boards of AR sites.

I personally think any of the 3 rifles listed are great rifles. And like you said, it comes down to what you want it for.


When I bought my first AR (recently), I went through this process. My need came down to this ranking:

1) Competitive Shooting (3 gun)
1) a problem arises scenario... hurricane, end of the world, society collapse... hehe. Yes, I'm thinking about that as a possibility and it played into my decision.
1) Carbine classes & training
(those 3 tied for 1st)
4) Fun at the range, plinking
5) Long range / precision shooting


I ended up with a Daniel Defense M4v1. I'm thrilled with it so far. (I've shot it all of 2 times now!)
I'm very happy with my purchase. However, I was at the range next to a guy with a new RRA, and he was out shooting me... that's for sure. Rifle? Maybe, but most likely the shooter.

I think the primary thing is to get yourself to a level where you will actually see the benefits of each of these rifles based on their strengths.
I know I'm not good enough to do that yet. I could spend $4000 on another rifle and shoot it just as well (or poorly) as I am with my DD right now.
My next $$ is going into me. I need to learn so I can maximize what I got. Also, as I learn, I know you'll find things I want to change/modify.

Rugerboy50 wrote:

gigag04 wrote:As far as quality of individual components goes, you're looking at this:

RRA < S&W M&P < DD

However, if it's "just an AR" than all three will suit you fine. S&W is the best value, and DD is the best rifle of yours listed.

Don't really understand the logic.

Componet wise you show DD last and then you call it the best rifle listed.

Would seem to me that best components = best rifle IMO.

What's up?

Hehe... don't remember 'greater than' and 'less than' do ya?

He is saying, RRA is 'less than' S&W which is "less than" Daniel Defense in terms of quality.



My $.02. The RRA & S&W are fine rifles, but neither are considered "tier 1" by the AR crazies on other sites.
The Tier 1 rifles are names like DD, Colt, LMT, BMC, etc.
The next tier down is S&W, RRA, Stag, DPMS etc.

ALL of the above are 'good' rifles, but the DD is built for being run hard and is more of duty rifle. The S&W and RRA are great rifles for probably 95% of the AR15 market, so those that buy the "Tier 1" brands are either
1) needing it because of their job or they take the hobby to a higher level than most or
2) Can afford it, so why not get the best?

I'm willing to bet that just the fact that this poll is posted, OP, you'd be fine with a S&W. Save your money and get one. You'll like it.