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by Scott in Houston
Fri Dec 17, 2010 9:46 am
Forum: The Crime Blotter
Topic: Gunman dead after opening fire at Florida school meeting
Replies: 82
Views: 8769

Re: Gunman dead after opening fire at Florida school meeting

quantum wrote:
G192627 wrote:No question it would have been legal. There isn't any way in the world she could have not proven it was to protect the lives of those in the room. The bad guy doesn't have to pull the trigger first. He has to threaten your life first, and by 'waving his gun around' and dismissing everyone but a few, it's unquestionable what his intentions could be...
That was also my initial gut reaction to the situation. Glad someone else agrees (lawyer or not). :mrgreen:
Follow your gut! :tiphat:

And welcome to the forum! This is a great place.
by Scott in Houston
Fri Dec 17, 2010 7:22 am
Forum: The Crime Blotter
Topic: Gunman dead after opening fire at Florida school meeting
Replies: 82
Views: 8769

Re: Gunman dead after opening fire at Florida school meeting

quantum wrote:Regarding the lady who tried to disrupt the shooter with her purse. I've read a lot of comments on other gun boards (and a few here) that it would have been better had she had a gun and used it. While I don't disagree with that sentiment, I'm curious from a legal perspective (assuming this had happened in TX) if she would have been justified in shooting the man at that point? He was waving a gun around and I can't recall if he had threatened to shoot anyone yet. Even if he had verbally threatened, is that enough? Would her justification have been preventing attempted murder?

Obviously, once he fired a shot, it's game time and you do what the security guard did. But at any point earlier, would a preemptive use of deadly force by a CHL holder put him/her in legal jeopardy for this situation?

I went back and reread the TX CHL laws and haven't been able to fully convince myself that it would be defensible. Am I missing something?
Casting aside the issue of having her weapon at a school or government meeting...

No question it would have been legal. There isn't any way in the world she could have not proven it was to protect the lives of those in the room. The bad guy doesn't have to pull the trigger first. He has to threaten your life first, and by 'waving his gun around' and dismissing everyone but a few, it's unquestionable what his intentions could be.

IANAL

But I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express.

Seriously, it wouldn't even be close to an issue in Texas except for the fact that she shouldn't have a gun at this meeting in the first place because it would be illegal for her to do so. No way to say for sure, but my guess would be that even if she had done it with a weapon that she shouldn't have at this location, she'd be 'ok'. That depends on the DA and/or the jury though.
by Scott in Houston
Thu Dec 16, 2010 3:09 pm
Forum: The Crime Blotter
Topic: Gunman dead after opening fire at Florida school meeting
Replies: 82
Views: 8769

Re: Gunman dead after opening fire at Florida school meeting

Kahrry wrote:This is hits close to home for me. I recently posted about our company policy forbidding concealed carry or carry of any sort of weapon at all. We have open board meetings like this twice a month with an open forum for any resident to sign in and speak before the board. There have been controversial topics and upset residents address the board. None of them have turned deadly but this proves that desperate people given and opportunity with little security can attempt violent crimes like this.
So this begs the question, is your job worth the risk to carry in that meeting?
Only you can answer that question, but I'm typing this just as a reminder that you're not illegally carrying in your company meeting, but you could get fired if caught.
"Some people" might consider it worth the risk to carry for that meeting if they believed they could keep it concealed (concealed means concealed) and never found out. You'd only be found out if you had to use it, and in that situation, who really cares? :)

So it comes down to weighing the odds of needing that gun and saving your life vs. the odds of getting caught carrying and then fired.

That's just my thoughts and opinion which is worth exactly what you paid for it. ;)
by Scott in Houston
Thu Dec 16, 2010 11:16 am
Forum: The Crime Blotter
Topic: Gunman dead after opening fire at Florida school meeting
Replies: 82
Views: 8769

Re: Gunman dead after opening fire at Florida school meeting

jimlongley wrote:I think that even a mouse gun in the purse lady's hands would have led to the gunman dying six minutes earlier.
Agreed. Her situation is the best case scenario if you're stuck with only a .380. She or anyone with a .380 could have walked up behind him and put a shot right into his head at point blank range or quickly emptied 7 rounds into his back.
by Scott in Houston
Thu Dec 16, 2010 11:16 am
Forum: The Crime Blotter
Topic: Gunman dead after opening fire at Florida school meeting
Replies: 82
Views: 8769

Re: Gunman dead after opening fire at Florida school meeting

jimlongley wrote:I think that even a mouse gun in the purse lady's hands would have led to the gunman dying six minutes earlier.
Agreed. Her situation is the best case scenario if you're stuck with only a .380. She or anyone with a .380 could have walked up behind him and put a shot right into his head at point blank range or quickly emptied 7 rounds into his back.
by Scott in Houston
Wed Dec 15, 2010 6:49 pm
Forum: The Crime Blotter
Topic: Gunman dead after opening fire at Florida school meeting
Replies: 82
Views: 8769

Re: Gunman dead after opening fire at Florida school meeting

Excaliber wrote:
This case is another reminder of why I won't let myself buy one of those cute, light, easy to carry .380's. If I had one, I'd get lazy and carry it instead of one of those other big heavy guns. If I carried it and had to use it, barring an extraordinarily lucky shot, the wounds it could inflict would be unlikely to slow down someone who was trying to kill me until well after it wouldn't matter to me anymore.

Without that temptation, I just dress around my .45's, and don't harbor any illusions about those bullets carrying any magic either.
That was one of my early thoughts as well! I own a little .380 'mouse' gun and it's nice for what it is, but in this situation, I'd feel totally outgunned, and a big guy like that would take all 7 rounds to even begin to stop threatening me...

This incident has me almost questioning even my Glock 26. I'm now thinking I'll carry my Glock 32 (.357SIG) or my Glock 19 all year and not just in winter. Summer clothing makes the little TCP .380 tempting to carry at times, but not anymore.
I was already tempted to sell it because I rarely carry and almost never shoot it.

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