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This is a public reference to the medical residency program at Garland:

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It looks like residents work in that facility under faculty supervision as part of their education.

I've said my piece. There's no case law in this area. Do what you think is best.

- Jim

aggie_wes wrote:I didn't carry, since I came in through the ER entrance the first time, and main entrance the 2nd, but I'm assuming I could legally carry, since all entrances are not posted, is this correct?

No, it is not correct.

PC 30.06 requires only that the sign be "displayed in a conspicuous manner clearly visible to the public." There is no consideration of large buildings with multiple entrances and separate rooms (such as a hospital or shopping mall).

Also, no one has tried to persuade me that Baylor is not a university property and would not be treated as such by the police and prosecutors.

- Jim

The Annoyed Man wrote:Since all the other entrances to the buildings are posted, and since this entrance is fairly busy, I am convinced that it not posted by design.

What do you mean by that? Do you mean they intentionally posted some entrances and not others?

- Jim

It's a legal requirements for which there is no penalty for the hospital. As far as I can tell, no state agency is charged with enforcing it.

I've seen all manner of signage on hospitals and a few nursing homes, from generic gunbuster signs to signs that some amateur lawyer must have devised that are neither the 51% nor 30.06 verbiage.

- Jim

The complicated situation for hospitals that are not medical schools (or federal property, like the VA) is in Penal Code 46.035, which I will try to quote as briefly as possible:

(b) A license holder commits an offense if the license holder intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly carries a handgun under the authority of Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code, regardless of whether the handgun is concealed, on or about the license holder's person:
(4) on the premises of a hospital licensed under Chapter 241, Health and Safety Code, or on the premises of a nursing home licensed under Chapter 242, Health and Safety Code, unless the license holder has written authorization of the hospital or nursing home administration, as appropriate;
(i) Subsections (b)(4), (b)(5), (b)(6), and (c) do not apply if the actor was not given effective notice under Section 30.06.

In plain English, the former prohibitions against carrying hospitals are not in effect unless the hospital posts a valid 30.06 sign.

A medical school facility, being a school, you would be sticking out your neck for a possible felony conviction. We all know about federal facilities.

I don't lose a lot of sleep over gray areas. The problem with hospitals and clinics is that (a) you may be asked to undress or have someone lay hands on you with no notice, and (b) many—though by no means all—personnel who work in these institutions are hostile to the right to keep and bear arms.

- Jim

Yep.

- Jim

Baylor is a university. Many of their facilities are part of medical schools. They also have complicated relationships with companies that are not part of the university.

I'm sure if you call them, they will give you a definitive answer.

- Jim