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Thanks for clearing that up.

- Jim

lawrnk wrote:Agree with you generally, but those pacifist groups you mentioned have no problem calling the police when in danger.

In that case, they are not true pacifists. They are merely "outsourcing" the violence that they pretend to abhor.

I consider this hypocritical. It's like the Sanhedrin, who would not prescribe capital punishment, but were eager to have the Romans carry it out. It would be like me calling myself a vegetarian because I do not personally butcher the meat that I enjoy eating.

- Jim

Thanks.

- Jim

srothstein wrote:It seems to me that the person you were talking to is as close to a true pacifist as you are likely to find in the US.

Steve, every now and then we disagree.

A true pacifist will submit to abuse because he believes that all violence is wrong. Amish, Mennonites, Quaker, and Jehovah's Witnesses are pacifists. There are millions of them.

This person is not a pacifist. If he is attacked, he wants armed police officers to come to his defense. Then, most likely, after he is safe, he will complain that the police used too much force.

I have seen this numerous times, where people called the police on an out-of-control family member (usually intoxicated), then complain because the police used a Taser.

What the person in question here is trying to do is build a value system on Sesame Street: If we all just understood each other and hugged a lot (in a good way), we would get along. This is insane, as everyone reading this message knows.

- Jim

MrsFosforos wrote:Arguing with someone who has strongly ingrained beliefs on any topic are just not worth the time and effort to try and convince them otherwise.

I agree that you won't change the person's mind. However, depending upon the context, you may affect the opinion of a bystander who is listening.

- Jim

Russell wrote:- If somebody DOES break into your house, you should not confront them. You should call the police, try to get out of the house, run away, but don't use a gun on them.

That works real well when a member of your family is in a wheelchair.

- Jim