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by OldSchool
Mon Mar 07, 2011 12:00 am
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Mensa membership letter
Replies: 62
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Re: Mensa membership letter

srothstein wrote:
KD5NRH wrote:Nothing encourages genius like ambitious laziness.
Heinlein wrote a story about it in Time Enough for Love (IIRC): "The man who was too lazy to fail". It was an amazing analysis that shows this could be a very true statement.
There's an old saying popular among Mathematicians: "The best Mathematicians are lazy." Translation: Mathematics is all about strategies, and the best strategies are the simplest ones.
I've personally extended it to Physicists and Computer Programmers.... :evil2:
by OldSchool
Sun Mar 06, 2011 8:22 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Mensa membership letter
Replies: 62
Views: 9963

Re: Mensa membership letter

MoJo wrote:It was tongue in cheek, like Groucho or Sam Clemens or whomever - - - I don't want to be a member of any group that will have me as a member.
Sorry, you're a member of this one -- and it's too late to leave!! :biggrinjester:
by OldSchool
Sun Mar 06, 2011 2:04 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Mensa membership letter
Replies: 62
Views: 9963

Re: Mensa membership letter

MoJo wrote::headscratch Let's see - - - I pay a group of eggheads to tell me how smart I am? How smart is that? :headscratch
If facetious, I appreciate the humour! :tiphat:

If serious, note that "smart" has too many definitions to pin down.

Relating to IQ, here's the typical story:
A child has trouble interacting with peers, and is always daydreaming. Teachers classify the child as "slow" because they never seem to pay attention, get poor grades, and other children classify the child as "retarded" and make sure to tell him/her as much. The child begins to build a "shell" due to a feeling of unworthiness and non-acceptance.

Fast-forward some number of years: The person (could be young, middle-aged, or even older -- consider a lifetime of living this way) wants to find out just how "slow" they are, and undergo some testing; alternatively, if they're lucky and took the SAT before they were changed in 1984, can use that as a proxy for a special test. Behold, the person who was always tagged as "slow" and "retarded" is actually well above genius level.

Reason: A child with very high IQ matures (mentally) faster than their peers, and thus are considered unable to interact for any number of other reasons. For example, an IQ of 150 means a child of 10 thinks at roughly the level of a 15-year-old. (And, no, the numbers are not exact, and there is a range of error, as in everything.) They read, write, and philosophize earlier than others of their age. These children require constant challenge.

Teachers are reluctant to tag any child as "gifted" simply because every parent thinks their child is "gifted" and needs special treatment (it doesn't do the parent's ego any harm, either). Parents with truly gifted children (and I believe it's heredity + environment) won't be as quick to jump on that bandwagon, but rather prefer to help the children learn to interact -- but it isn't easy, since peers can't understand why this person talks and thinks differently, so "there must be something wrong with him/her."

The testing helps one to understand the problem (many call it an "affliction").

Sorry to be long-winded -- this is just the introductory course. :smilelol5:

Does this help?
by OldSchool
Sun Mar 06, 2011 12:07 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Mensa membership letter
Replies: 62
Views: 9963

Re: Mensa membership letter

SecedeTX wrote:My parents tested my in highschool to figure out what was "wrong" with me. Come to find out, I was above Mensa levels, but just bone lazy. Also, I am a really good test taker, and that accounts for a good bit of any score.

That being said, joining a club which consists of a bunch of people talking about IQ test scores sounds horrid.
Being a "really good test taker" requires good learning and adaptation skills, so truly is a reasonable indicator of higher IQ, IMHO.

As to the club, Mensa covers a much larger segment of society than most other HIQ organizations, and so... well, pick your poison.... :evil2:

However, the HIQ orgs do serve a very valid purpose for those well above Mensa level, that being to help the members feel part of a community. This feeling is very often denied those who are considered "different" by their peers, from a very early age. :mad5
ETA: CHL holders wouldn't feel the need for something like that, would they?? :evil2:
by OldSchool
Sun Mar 06, 2011 12:49 am
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Mensa membership letter
Replies: 62
Views: 9963

Re: Mensa membership letter

Just don't confuse High IQ with knowledge or accomplishments. High IQ is an ability (some would say "talent"), but, like the 7-foot-tall guy who doesn't like basketball, or the person with innate musical ability who doesn't want to perform, there are plenty of folks who don't care to use that particular ability. That's their choice.

On the other side, society has a tendency to label anyone "different" as "undesirable." Too many folks have gone through life thinking they were stupid, just because their peers kept telling them they were, only to find out later that the peers were really the ones who had no clue. Along that line, societal awkwardness is not a sin, but rather can be imposed on a person from the outside. It seems that most people want to be able to feel superior to others, in whatever way possible.
by OldSchool
Sat Mar 05, 2011 12:05 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Mensa membership letter
Replies: 62
Views: 9963

Re: Mensa membership letter

RPB wrote::thumbs2: I'd write to them, but I'm only a 148 IQ because due to having no left hand my jigsaw puzzle went slower than if I had two hands, otherwise I'd be on up there much higher .. (That's what the psychologist giving me the test said in 1980 when I was sent by Texas Rehabilitation Commission for testing to see if ... I wuz smart enuff to co to colldge ... Spose I wuz becuz I gat into 5 honor societies wile I wuz there and was in the top of the top 5% at U uv H :mrgreen: )

Edited to add:
I always thought you had to be at 150 (Einstein's IQ) or higher to join ?
Looks like both my brother and I could have joined (He's almost as smart as I am, but lacks "common sense" ... he votes wrong) http://www.us.mensa.org/Content/AML/Nav ... Scores.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Maybe I will write them.
I probably will as well, thanks for the heads-up.

Actually, Mensa is one of the easier High IQ groups to join. Mensa only requires a top 2% IQ, about 128. 150 is in the area of about 0.25%.

And, no, IQ has nothing to do with jigsaw puzzles. IQ is a comparative number relating to how well a person learns and adapts, nothing more, nothing less. Pattern recognition is a major part of IQ, and I fail to see how a jigsaw puzzle, which is designed to NOT have a consistent pattern, could possibly indicate anything about IQ. :tiphat:

I recommend you look into being tested by a person whose testing method is approved (for membership) by such societies as IQ Nexus/IIS or Colloquy. Here are their websites to check it out.
http://www.iisiq.org/home.htm
http://www.colloquysociety.org/

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