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RHenriksen wrote:Yes, the language was successfully tacked onto another bill as an amendment in committee:

http://www.nraila.org/legislation/feder ... tions.aspx" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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2013
fiscal year 2013 Energy and Water Development Related Agencies Appropriations bill
http://www.google.com/search?q=U.S.+Rep ... 24&bih=609" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://appropriations.house.gov/News/Do ... ryID=34796" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Apr 25, 2012 - The House Appropriations Committee today approved the fiscal year 2013 Energy and Water and Related Agencies Appropriations bill.
and

http://appropriations.house.gov/News/Do ... tID=292584" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
The following amendments were approved by the appropriations Committee: Apr 25

Rep. Frelinghuysen – The Managers Amendment makes technical changes to bill and report language, and makes minor adjustments in certain report language provisions. The amendment passed by voice vote.

Rep. Rehberg – The amendment prohibits funding for the Army Corps to develop or implement new guidance to expand the scope of federal jurisdiction under the Clean Water Act. The amendment passed on a vote of 29-20.

Rep. Alexander – The amendment prohibits funding to implement a mandate by the Energy Independence and Security Act which requires that all new or renovated federal buildings phase out the use of fossil generated electricity. The amendment passed on a voice vote.

Rep. Nunnelee – The Nunnelee amendment allows law-abiding citizens to legally possess firearms on Army Corps of Engineers Water Resource Development lands. The amendment passed on a voice vote.

Rep. LaTourette – The amendment adds language to the report directing the Army Corps of Engineers to consider the impact of flood risk on a small city’s economic viability in determining budget priorities within the Flood Control and Coastal Emergencies funding account. The amendment passed on a voice vote.

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Above is HOUSE APPROPRIATIONS COMMITTEE

Below is Senate Bill
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/112/s2465" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
S. 2465: Energy and Water Development and Related Agencies Appropriations Act, 2013

new article today
http://www.ammoland.com/2011/08/24/army ... um=twitter" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

June 13, 2011
Mr. xxxxxx xxxxxxxxxx
xxxx xxxxxxxxxxx St
xxxxxx, TX 7xxxx

Dear Mr. xxxxxxxxxx:

Thank you for contacting me regarding H.R. 1865. As your representative in Washington, I appreciate your opinions. Introduced by Representative Bob Gibbs (R-OH), H.R. 1865 would guarantee the right of citizens to bear arms at water resources development projects administered by the Secretary of the Army.

Currently, this bill has been referred to the House Committee on Transportation and Infrastructure. Although I do not serve on this committee, I will keep your thoughts in mind as this legislation comes before the House. Again, thank you for contacting me; I appreciate hearing your opinion on this issue. If you have any further questions, please don't hesitate to call, write, or email me. For more information on my work in Congress or to sign up for my weekly e-newsletter, please visit the 11th District's website at http://www.conaway.house.gov" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;. You can also follow me on Facebook at http://www.facebook.com/mike.conaway" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; and see more of my speeches and interviews on YouTube at http://www.youtube.com/mikeconaway11" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;.


Sincerely,

K. Michael Conaway
Member of Congress

KMC/ WR

Thought I'd update the Status of the bill (I just faxed 4 US Reps using 2 e-mail addresses on FaxZero, asking them to co-sponsor it)

I hadn't seen this listed before so:


H.R.1865
Latest Title: Recreational Lands Self-Defense Act of 2011
Sponsor: Rep Gibbs, Bob [OH-18] (introduced 5/12/2011) Cosponsors (38)
Latest Major Action: 5/13/2011 Referred to House subcommittee.
Status: Referred to the Subcommittee on Water Resources and Environment.

Below is the official Gov site
http://transportation.house.gov/subcomm ... water.aspx" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Note that Bob Gibbs is the chair, and that the committee is over the civil works programs of the ACOE

Below is how to contact the committee...Handy "unofficial" site
(can copy-paste fax numbers/names into FaxZero etc)
http://www.contactingthecongress.org/cg ... &plusfour=" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Lots of info above



So, the bill has a chance of passing if everyone will get their US Rep to co-sponsor it.
Over 2,500 recreation areas at 450+ lakes, millions of acres ... is a big score.


If you have NON-CHL freinds, who carry in their car, or will carry in their boat/canoe/kayak ... this affects them too ... get them to call/fax/e-mail too if they want to use those recreation areas or park in "their" parking lots, take the kids/girlfriend(s) /boyfriend(s)camping... or get tourism dollars into Texas.

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Find/contact your US Rep here
http://www.congressmerge.com/onlinedb/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Twitter (Several US Congressmen following

_PatJohnson_ Pat Johnson
#Guns #ACOE land Federal #HR1865 viewtopic.php?f=4&t=45058&hilit=acoe" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; #SnakesCoyotesFeralHogDeliverenceBanjos

bigred90gt wrote:One reason I ask about Cedar Bayou is that right now, there is a big stink going on on the Bayou with one of the more prominent families in the area. In the late 80's early 90's, they applied to the COE for a "boat slip" permit, and were granted the permit. Time was running out on the permit, and they were trying to renew it, with the intention of opening up a barge terminal on the bayou, basically across the bayou from one of the city parks, where a lot of people fish, ski, run PWC's, etc. Being that they are applying to the COE for their permit, I figured it might be a COE waterway, and me carrying my handgun could cause problems. As for the lakes, I was not able to find Lake Conroe or Lake Houston, but I believe I have read on this site that Conroe IS a COE lake. I will keep digging through your links.

most lakes, you can use this link and type in the lake name at the end
http://www.tpwd.state.tx.us/fishboat/fi ... nal/lakes/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

like
http://www.tpwd.state.tx.us/fishboat/fi ... nal/lakes/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;TYPELAKENAMEHERE/


Lake Conroe - carry :)
http://www.tpwd.state.tx.us/fishboat/fi ... es/conroe/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Reservoir Controlling Authority

San Jacinto River Authority
Conroe Project Office
PO Box 329
Conroe, Texas 77305
(936) 588-1111
San Jacinto River Authority (SJRA) is an agency of the State of Texas created in 1937 by Special Acts of the .
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Lake Houston - carry
http://www.tpwd.state.tx.us/fishboat/fi ... s/houston/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Reservoir Controlling Authority

Coastal Water Authority
One Allen Center, Suite 2800
500 Dallas Street
Houston, Texas 77002-4708
(713) 658-9020
Lake Patrol (281) 324-2250

The Coastal Water Authority (CWA) is a conservation and reclamation district created by a Special Act of the 60th Legislature of the State of Texas in 1967

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as opposed to:

Granger Lake - CAN NOT CARRY
http://www.tpwd.state.tx.us/fishboat/fi ... s/granger/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Reservoir Controlling Authority

United States Army Corps of Engineers
3100 Granger Dam Road
Granger, Texas 76530-5067
(512) 859-2668

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The COE has a bit of "say-so" on all lakes as to building docks/piers, draining it to dredge etc ... but the "controlling authority" is what you look at.

ACOE mostly "controls" lakes/ reservoirs, but also some land/water upstream/downstream from "their" lakes/reservoirs too ... but they dunno the exact boundaries.

bigred90gt wrote:

RPB wrote: Basically 3 ways ... 1) ask me

I will look at the referenced sites, but in the mean time, I will follow your first instructions. I'm looking specifically at Cedar Bayou in Baytown, TX, Lake Houston, Lake Conroe for lakes. I dont believe bay's would be ACOE waterways, but in the interest of being sure, Trinity Bay, burnett Bay, Crystal Bay, Scott Bay, Black Duck Bay, and Tabbs Bay.

For reference, I'm in Baytown, TX. Where about in central TX are you located?

Near Highland Lakes/ Burnet/Marble Falls ... 11-18 miles from LCRA lakes ... where concealed carry is legal but only 20- 30 miles from forbidden waters I'd like to kayak/fish

Moved here from Pasadena ... your coastal National Wildlife areas are fine for CHLs; very little "Galveston" area see http://www.swg.usace.army.mil/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; click Recreation in left column for that area

To find your U.S. Representative https://writerep.house.gov/writerep/welcome.shtml" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Just ask him/her to co-sponsor it.


First .... we'll get the right to use land we paid for ... who knows, next maybe we'll remove the F from BATFE through legislation ...

M2K wrote:Whoops! I bumped with RPB!

lol no problem, I assume no one leaves Texas ... you posted National, which is good
I had no choice but to visit other countries once ... North Dakota, and Florida I think it was, and Louisiana when the border crossing guards weren't looking (big 6 foot gator in the road on I-10 once right at the bridge)

bigred90gt wrote:How does one go about finding out what lakes and waterways may or may not be ACOE? I am getting ready to buy a kayak, and have a couple of places I intend to use it, but would like to know if I can legally bring my handgun with me.

Basically 3 ways ... 1) ask me

or
2) go to the TPAWD and see who is the controlling authority
Example:
Granger Lake
http://www.tpwd.state.tx.us/fishboat/fi ... s/granger/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Reservoir Controlling Authority

United States Army Corps of Engineers
3100 Granger Dam Road
Granger, Texas 76530-5067
(512) 859-2668

3) Also check the Corps lakes gateway to see places we are banned
http://corpslakes.usace.army.mil/visito ... m?state=TX" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Problems can arise say on Whitney Lake and similar locations where it's legal under State law ... but not under Federal ...
http://corpslakes.usace.army.mil/visito ... Id=M219920" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://www.tpwd.state.tx.us/spdest/find ... e_whitney/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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By the way, what's your location? I could use a kayak fishing partner sometimes, as could my across the street neighbor.
I'm in Central TX, I usually try to not catch fish .... they get the kayak all slimy, then I have to buy another one (kidding ... it's an addictive FUN sport, like collecting guns)

MeMelYup wrote:I wonder how much of our ammunition and gun tax goes to ACOE?

Also, TPWD Fishing/hunting license fees go to stocking their lakes to attract tourists.

To track the progress, and see the 21 co-sponsors (only a couple from Texas so far)
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h112-1865" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I posted this on Texas Fishing/Austin Bass/Texas Kayakfishing and Austin kayak fishing forums too ... perhaps they'll enlighten their representatives too .... since with Texas' HB 25 ... it doesn't affect JUST CHLs.

I e-mailed the 2 Senators, and Mike Conaway, my Representative, before going to Church; I'll e-mail other Reps later tonight. It isn't like we are asking them to work ... just to sign on to the Ohio Rep's resolution, which will greatly benefit Texas with thousands of new acres of recreational areas we can use which our Taxes already paid for, but we are currently banned... even though we pay taxes to stock fish and maintain the areas every year...

By the way, if you have a friend who starts carrying in a boat because Texas HB 25 passes ... and they head to one of the above lakes .... you might want to tell/warn them)

Also, there are almost too many to count of smaller US ACOE "reservoirs" ponds/small lakes "soil conservation/water conservation reservoirs... all over Texas, not even listed on those maps, where people with guns can't go fishing right now.... probably as many or more of those than there are ponds/water hazards on all golf courses in Texas.

I know some of you are thinking
This doesn't affect me, I'm interested in "Local" not Federal

But this is actually "more local" than National Parks/State Parks.

Just a few examples:

If you're in Houston
Addicks dam/Barker dam reservoirs and the Harris County Park there .... are on US ACOE land
(Some Galveston County areas too are USACOE http://www.swg.usace.army.mil/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; )

If you're near Waco
http://www.swf-wc.usace.army.mil/waco/r ... vareas.asp" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

If you're in Dallas/Fort Worth/Austin, or elsewhere in Texas ... etc
http://www.swf-wc.usace.army.mil/cgi-bi ... Recreation" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

See here for other areas of Texas
here's the LAKE map, and that doesn't even include all "recreational/camping areas/COUNTY/CITY PARKS
http://corpslakes.usace.army.mil/visito ... m?state=TX" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


To most Texans concerned about gas prices ... this is BIGGER / should be more important, than National Parks as it is more "local". I mean it affects some city/county parks too ...

PLUS, it affects travel to other States, so we could carry in other States on USACOE land if State reciprocity is there.. http://corpslakes.usace.army.mil/visitors/visitors.cfm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

You know ... I haven't really contacted all the NEW Representatives we elected last time ...

This is a HOUSE Resolution, and we have a lot of new ones

If you would like to contact The Texas ...U.S. Representatives + Senators (Feel free to use any info I posted above, and ask them to support federal HR 1865



Representatives (HOUSE Resolution) HR 1865
Scroll down to Texas here http://www.house.gov/representatives/#state_tn" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://sessions.house.gov/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://carter.house.gov/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://ebjohnson.house.gov/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://cuellar.house.gov/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://farenthold.house.gov/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://burgess.house.gov/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://marchant.house.gov/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://canseco.house.gov/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://doggett.house.gov/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://olson.house.gov/index.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://lamarsmith.house.gov/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.gonzalez.house.gov/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://randy.house.gov/index.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://jacksonlee.house.gov/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://flores.house.gov/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://hinojosa.house.gov/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://reyes.house.gov/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://paul.house.gov/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.thornberry.house.gov/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://kaygranger.house.gov/index.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://conaway.house.gov/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.house.gov/algreen/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.house.gov/brady/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://joebarton.house.gov/Default.aspx" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; ( a co-sponsor of the bill already, if you want to thank him)
http://culberson.house.gov/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://hensarling.house.gov/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://ralphhall.house.gov/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.samjohnson.house.gov/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://poe.house.gov/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://gohmert.house.gov/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; ( a co-sponsor of the bill already, if you want to thank him)

If you don't write to ALL Representatives, you can at least write to your OWN Texas U.S Representative ... find YOURS here
http://www.fyi.legis.state.tx.us/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

So at least write your Rep, and the two Senators.

Texas Senators:
http://hutchison.senate.gov/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://cornyn.senate.gov/public/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Ask them to

Support HR 1865 by Congressman Bob Gibbs (R OH)