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Beiruty wrote:Looking at this NFA class: Smooth-Bore, Shot-Revolver

Than to own a Judge Shooting 410 shot shell needs at $5 AOW and Fed paper. Are current owners of the Judge doing that?

cbr600 wrote:

RPB wrote:It's a 2-handed operation to work the action / pump anyway.

Similar to the Rossi Ranch Hand pistol, in that regard.
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denwego wrote:

mmestx wrote:So, where would I be able to get clarification concearning the state definition of a glock that is registered as an SBR?

Short-barrled rifles/shotguns are still considered rifles and shotguns under state law, just a particularly restricted type. Vasquez v. State (1982) stated that a rifle whose barrel was shortened and stock completely removed didn't become a pistol, quoting "the definition referred to the design of the weapon, not to its present state after modification." That's supplemented by Ford v. State (1994), which said “the mere fact that a weapon may be defined as a handgun does not disqualify it from also being a short- barrel firearm. A weapon under twenty-six inches in length adapted from a shotgun makes it a short-barrel firearm regardless of whether it can be fired with one hand.”

Both of those cases refer to weapons which started off as long guns and were shortened, but I tend to believe that it would go the other way as well regarding handguns turned into SBRs. Those two cases would offer some strong precedent that a Glock turned into a SBR would still be considered a handgun based on its "original design," as well as also being a SBR which is regulated by §46.05. Thoughts?

srothstein wrote:well, since you asked RPB, I guess I will comment.

First I wanted to say I don't advise this because anyone who does this is really on the cutting edge of the law. And people on the cutting edge usually end up bleeding.

I agree with most of the comments on the signs pictured. The Serbu Shorty is not a handgun as I understand the definition and the weapon. Not having a shoulder stock makes this fairly questionable and I would point to the old Steve McQueen tv show as the reason why.

But if we assume that the shorty is not a handgun, you can carry them anywhere that a rifle is not banned. This includes ignoring 46.02 totally and they can be carried concealed or openly. Signs for 30.06 do not apply, and neither does 51% signs. The blue TABC signs do not apply since, as noted, they require a violation of 46.02 before they become effective. A 30.05 sign banning concealed guns means you could legally carry the shorty open and ignore the sign. A 30.05 sign banning any guns would stop you from carrying there.

Basically, the shorty would be considered the same as an M-1 Garand under the law. I think we all understand where we can carry a rifle legally, and where it would cause problems even if legal. If the firearm is not a handgun under the law, then consider it the same as the M-1 for carrying purposes, just easier to physically conceal.

Beiruty wrote:For Federal Purposes, the above pictured is a SBR (Shotguns included too). I have a deep feeling that a Prosecutor in TX can claim the above pictured firearms as pistol. I see a lot of SIG 556 with no butt and very short barrels are referred to as Pistol to avoid the SBR and it is restrictions. with the Feds.

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Beiruty wrote:what do you mean $5 Federal paper work? If this is a Pistol, so you can't carry if this a short barrel shotgun ( It should have a stock), it is illegal to carry or even own unless your have the federal stamp.