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Oh I totally understand under TEXAS law it would be justifiable/justified looking back at the threat.

What I was curious about, but didn't research, was legality, of the security guard carrying under the applicable Florida laws, prior to any gunman producing a gun.

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My frame of thought is

Contrast/comparison to a theoretical incident where a CHL, God forbid, forgetfully carries his weapon into a Court/School/sporting event and remembers he is armed while terrorists are attacking and he's "justified" in stopping the attack; but was illegally carrying.

Not that I'd carry anywhere illegally, but was just pensive about that compared to the FLA situation.

Guess I could research if FLA had "necessity" but that's still only showing that it's justified, and I was curious as to whether he was legally carrying prior to any reasonable belief being formed ... however, sorta a moot point, as now the story is "he requested vacation, but agreed to work, at the request of the school district" so thankfully, he's "officially legal" (on duty as Security) whether he was or not prior to a 24 hour rest and speaking to the lawyer and school district

austinrealtor wrote:I would think LEOSA would cover him to carry in the meeting regardless, but I don't know that for certain.

Dunno, I know my buddy who retired from Tomball Police Dept got his CHL in 2008, he collects 1911s, .... dunno Florida laws though, nor much about LEOSA (2004?), though I should look it up. Dunno how long ago he retired.


Never thought I'd cite wikipedia, but in the interest of tiredness:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_Enforc ... Safety_Act" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
However, there are two types of state laws that are not overridden by the federal law, these being "the laws of any State that (1) permit private persons or entities to prohibit or restrict the possession of concealed firearms on their property; or (2) prohibit or restrict the possession of firearms on any State or local government property, installation, building, base, or park. his does not mean that LEOSA-qualified persons are prohibited from carrying concealed firearms in such areas, but only that they must obey whatever state laws apply on those two points. "

So .... <shrug> .... dunno

just a thought, sorta might be an important point


The "security guard, who was armed"
was actually "on vacation"

Anyone wondering about Florida Armed Security Guard laws?
I'm wondering and just gleaning some possibly old data/facts but ...


The G license (Armed Security Guard license) only specifies that you can carry a handgun on duty.
Off duty you can carry any weapon on a CCW.

This was a School Board Meeting.

Florida Law states that a concealed firearm may not be carried in any meeting of the governing body of a county, public school district, municipality, or special district; etc.


What I'm wondering is since he was off duty, carrying under his CCW instead of his Guard License, perhaps was gun being illegally carried into the school board meeting by the guy who stopped the shooter?

Of course he's retired LEO, and that may figure in probably .... but an interesting thought for a Florida CCW, if carrying illegally, to be the hero. I doubt they'll arrest him.


Just a thought, probably not worth looking into, but I wonder lots of stuff like .... If God made flies without Wings, would Adam have named them Walks? .....

Thanks trog;

he, at the least, went to go get a vest first.
http://www.wjhg.com/home/headlines/Mike ... 68099.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Although he's decided not to talk on camera, he did say his only thought at the time was to protect the school board members and himself. Colleen is proud of her husband.

“It just amazes me that he could even think like that in a crisis to know to go get a vest and to protect himself to come home to me and still protect everybody else," said Jones.


The one I saw was an "after the shooting was over" news report,

Where Mike Jones was being consoled.

(Although the website (in error) says "see Mike Jones had his firearm out PRIOR to the event"
(Obvious error as the V was already painted)

This one hasd SWAT arriving at 6:15
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A few agree, but those are comments from people who believe that no one at all distilled nor drank moonshine during prohibition .... because there was a law against it.

And people who believe that they are safer in Mexico where guns are illegal, than in Switzerland where the military sells excess weaponry to civilians.

I envision those comments coming from young ladies in their "little house on the prairie" dresses, sitting with their 5 children, after hand washing the dishes after Supper, waiting for husband Clem to return from fetching firewood for the night.

G192627 wrote:

Excaliber wrote:
This case is another reminder of why I won't let myself buy one of those cute, light, easy to carry .380's. If I had one, I'd get lazy and carry it instead of one of those other big heavy guns. If I carried it and had to use it, barring an extraordinarily lucky shot, the wounds it could inflict would be unlikely to slow down someone who was trying to kill me until well after it wouldn't matter to me anymore.

Without that temptation, I just dress around my .45's, and don't harbor any illusions about those bullets carrying any magic either.

That was one of my early thoughts as well! I own a little .380 'mouse' gun and it's nice for what it is, but in this situation, I'd feel totally outgunned, and a big guy like that would take all 7 rounds to even begin to stop threatening me...

This incident has me almost questioning even my Glock 26. I'm now thinking I'll carry my Glock 32 (.357SIG) or my Glock 19 all year and not just in winter. Summer clothing makes the little TCP .380 tempting to carry at times, but not anymore.
I was already tempted to sell it because I rarely carry and almost never shoot it.

Not to detract from topic, but briefly interject:

I carry my 26 with 21 rounds in it (17 mag +3 pearce extension and a 17->26 spacer; with one or two, sometimes three, spare 20 round mags. ( Slide on my 19 is less comfortable length, but turning the holster's cant where the grip is more vertical makes the 26 with 21 rounds still easier to conceal comfortably than my 19) Of course if I need deep deep concealment, it only has 16 rounds in it (Glock 19 mag, with spacer)

Sorry, back to topic.

while looking through all the videos; I saw one I can't find again; video AFTER the event, where the retired LEO/head of school security, (Mike Jones) who actually shot the criminal, was walking, armed.


video was people consoling Mike Jones ...
There was a comment:

Don't know if Mike Jones attended the meeting armed, or ran to his car and got his gun ...

But others say Karen Tucker went to the information office and got them to call security chief and former School Board member Mike Jones,"who came running down and into the board room and then there were shots fired," she said.
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http://www.newsherald.com/news/updated- ... video.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I guess in Florida, they don't teach the "textbook throwing defense" or else they were unarmed (without textbooks) at that meeting.

Which reminds me; I need to go to the book store .... Excuse me ...which way to the Kevlar Book Covers? Got any in "Hello Kitty"?