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03Lightningrocks wrote:I can carry a Glock 19 or even a full sized .45 with no coat or special clothing. A super tuck with a bloused out shirt will hide a full size gun.

That's great.

Not all of us are built the same way, nor do we all carry the same way. I still haven't found an IWB I like, or that I can get to conceal well without having to go back to a coat.

bmwrdr wrote:Very good points in every post on this topic. To be honest, while I was in service I was happy to take that stupid thing off my belt whenever I could. Having it on your hip while you work, walk, eat,... gets real old real fast. These days, with all the light weight guns available on the market weight of the gun and ammo is not an issue anymore. I miss just one point of OC. What are the benefits besides being able to carry a bigger gun? The fact OC would out rule a accidental exposure of a CC gun and the size to carry I can not think of a benefit.
And my opinion is not to limit anybody or be against OC.

Some of us dress light in Texas summers... it's either carry a pocket gun or nothing for me. OC would allow me to carry a full-size gun, which is easier to shoot and faster to draw. I can only do that under a big coat right now.

cb1000rider wrote:

rotor wrote: There is so much more to the meaning of the 2nd amendment than just concealed carry and self defense. This is how we maintain liberty. This is why we don't want our firearms registered. I know I am preaching to the choir but there is so much more to the 2nd amendment.

Just curious, in that context - and that context alone that an armed public keeps a corrupt government at bay, isn't it out of date? There was a time when governments would line up armies of solders and have them shoot at each other. The militia arms were not necessarily at a tactical disadvantage. These days, what is a government going to do when facing armed insurgents? Do we deploy a group of soldiers to line up and take pot-shots at the insurgents? No... We bomb them via a remote vehicle while sitting in a chair halfway around the world. There is no armed militia in the world that has a chance against an oppressive government armed with modern weapons.

I suppose the "Red Dawn" scenario might have some validity, but as a tool for keeping our own government thinking twice about military success? No way...

I'm in for concealed carry and self defense. I don't want to change the 2nd amendment. I just think that when drafted, the drafters had no means to see this far into the future.

End of off topic...

UAVs only work for a tiny number of targets, and those operators can be taken out.

As for the bolded part, yeah, look at what's going on in the world right this moment...

The Annoyed Man wrote:

baldeagle wrote:I can see both sides of the argument. At the end of the day no one knows what will happen in the future until it does. When the OC crowd hurts or helps the 2A movement is debatable and will be until some concrete evidence is adduced.

Starbucks.

Prime example

If the majority of OC'ing "enthusiasts" were a tad more mature, there would be a lot less of an issue. There's a LOT of people in that group that don't really think before they act, or they purposefully try to get a reaction out of people.

If you're going to OC a long gun, be smart about it. Getting into someone's face, being boisterous, looking for an argument and, to a certain extent, dressing like a third-class citizen while doing it only hurts us and perpetuates the "redneck gun owner" image.

I am 100% for OC rights, and I'll OC a handgun in the summer if we ever get it passed. But OC'ing a long gun, especially when emotions are very high and we're VERY divided over this issue, is usually at most going to get a neutral reaction and will VERY rarely get a positive reaction, and that will usually be from a fellow gun owner who is already pro-OC. The majority of responses are going to be negative, and with every negative response comes a potential letter to a politician arguing for the other side.

IMHO, doing it quietly and outside of the public view is the best way to do it. Don't frighten the horses.