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by MadMonkey
Mon Oct 03, 2011 1:42 pm
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: Can U.S. legally kill a citizen overseas
Replies: 102
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Re: Can U.S. legally kill a citizen overseas

Keith B wrote:
MadMonkey wrote:
Charles L. Cotton wrote:Under Texas law, he killed everyone of the soldiers murdered at Fort Hood.
Can you explain that? I don't see how he could be held responsible... are there any examples from here in TX?
I can
CHAPTER 15. PREPARATORY OFFENSES

§ 15.02. CRIMINAL CONSPIRACY.
(a) A person commits criminal conspiracy if, with intent that a felony be committed:
(1) he agrees with one or more persons that they or one or more of them engage in conduct that would constitute the offense; and
(2) he or one or more of them performs an overt act in pursuance of the agreement.
(b) An agreement constituting a conspiracy may be inferred from acts of the parties.
(c) It is no defense to prosecution for criminal conspiracy that:
(1) one or more of the coconspirators is not criminally responsible for the object offense;
(2) one or more of the coconspirators has been acquitted, so long as two or more coconspirators have not been acquitted;
(3) one or more of the coconspirators has not been prosecuted or convicted, has been convicted of a different offense, or is immune from prosecution;
(4) the actor belongs to a class of persons that by definition of the object offense is legally incapable of committing the object offense in an individual capacity; or
(5) the object offense was actually committed.
(d) An offense under this section is one category lower than the most serious felony that is the object of the conspiracy, and if the most serious felony that is the object of the conspiracy is a state jail felony, the offense is a Class A misdemeanor.
Edit to add: Since the crime commited was several counts of Capital Murder (the intentional murder of someone for retaliatory purposes, which carries a Capital Felony penalty), the Conspiracy charge would be covered as a 1st Degree Felony.

Penalty for a 1st Degree Felony in Texas is minimum of 5 years to maximum of 99 years in the state prison, and a fine up to $10,000.

If the crime was Murder, rather than Capital Murder, Conspiracy would then be a 2nd Degree Felony carrying a 2 - 20 year prison sentence and up to $10,000 fine.
So you can be sentenced to death for conspiracy? I wasn't aware of that, thanks.
by MadMonkey
Mon Oct 03, 2011 1:30 pm
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: Can U.S. legally kill a citizen overseas
Replies: 102
Views: 13584

Re: Can U.S. legally kill a citizen overseas

Charles L. Cotton wrote:Under Texas law, he killed everyone of the soldiers murdered at Fort Hood.
Can you explain that? I don't see how he could be held responsible... are there any examples from here in TX?
by MadMonkey
Mon Oct 03, 2011 12:25 am
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: Can U.S. legally kill a citizen overseas
Replies: 102
Views: 13584

Re: Can U.S. legally kill a citizen overseas

speedsix wrote:
MadMonkey wrote:In my opinion, it sets a dangerous precedent. To my knowledge, he never actually killed anyone himself, he just tried to incite others to. He definitely condoned the killing of American citizens...

...however, I see American citizens cheering for his death, a fellow citizen. Who is next? Gun owners, people who support the Constitution, right-wingers, survivalists and more have already been branded as terrorists and threats by many. It's a slippery slope.

...when they became traitors, they were no longer fellow citizens...both had public track records of traitorous acts...they were active in the jihad (war) against their country...you stand in front of the rifles of American servicemen instead of behind them, you get what you deserve...
And when the definition of "traitor" or "terrorist" has changed enough to encompass people like us, will you still be willing to see targeted killings without due process?

I don't disagree that he was an evil man. But I still don't think it makes it okay. I'm not convinced that consistently killing people in 6+ different countries is helping us as a nation or as a people... if anything, I believe it has the potential to incite even more hate against the USA. In my opinion, we should be focusing on securing our borders, protecting our own people and not blowing money everywhere else.
by MadMonkey
Sun Oct 02, 2011 9:46 pm
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: Can U.S. legally kill a citizen overseas
Replies: 102
Views: 13584

Re: Can U.S. legally kill a citizen overseas

In my opinion, it sets a dangerous precedent. To my knowledge, he never actually killed anyone himself, he just tried to incite others to. He definitely condoned the killing of American citizens...

...however, I see American citizens cheering for his death, a fellow citizen. Who is next? Gun owners, people who support the Constitution, right-wingers, survivalists and more have already been branded as terrorists and threats by many. It's a slippery slope.
by MadMonkey
Sun Oct 02, 2011 3:00 pm
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: Can U.S. legally kill a citizen overseas
Replies: 102
Views: 13584

Re: Can U.S. legally kill a citizen overseas

The Annoyed Man wrote:The pustule in question was not just a murderer
Who did he kill?

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