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E.Marquez wrote:

AlaskanInTexas wrote:

tommyg wrote:I wish that the 1% ( the bad element of motorcycle riders)

Based on my personal experience, the bad element is closer to 75%, not 1%. That said, my experience as of late has been pretty much limited to driving 75 in Dallas after 9pm - not necessarily a good sample. This is not a gut reaction either. I was involved in the rather heated motorcycle post several months back, and since then have been keeping track in my head of the number of safe v. crazy bikers I encounter.

Live in a cesspool, get to see, observe those that live there with you. (in your case Drive in a cesspool, might be a truer statement)

I understand your perception of 75% bikers being in the wrong.. I have that same impression of those that live there in totality.. not just the ones stunting on the freeway on a bike.
My personal opinion of Dallas, and those that would choose to live there would not be allowed on this forum. Likely..my limited personal observations are simply limiting my ability to see the "real" Dallas.. so i can see who your misconception of bikes could happen as well

I live outside Dallas and since participating in this conversation have been keeping track
I often have a 65 mile round trip commute from Carrollton to Grand Prairie - most of which is on the 190 toll road
Yesterday I saw 2 motorcycles and a trike. the first motorcycle was heard coming fast in the middle shut down lane - passed me and every one else at approximately 100-110 or more weaving recklessly. The second was the trike I should have taken a picture - it was a home made wonder with HUGE car tires on the back and looked to by 10 feet long. It was wobbling side to side with the weight of the 2 passengers. If that passed inspection we need better rules. 3rd was another that I heard before I saw, passed me between the lanes seemed to be going half again as fast as I was ( i was likely going 70-75 ). Again weaving and acting a fool at crazy speeds.

So yesterdays percentage was 66% of the motorcycles / trikes seen were willfully and intentionally disregarding the rules of the road. And risking my life doing it. If we only count the bikes and leave the home made trike to the entropy that awaits it then its 100%..

This is pretty typical. The 190 toll road is not running in the "bad sections " of Dallas would have to check map to see if I ever even passed through Dallas proper. I wasn't driving during rush hour and I likely was in traffic with many hundreds of "cages" as they are so angrily referred. The cage drivers by comparison were angels

There was a lady in a lexus that was unable to stay in her lane when turning left off the service road in 2 let turn lanes but that was at 3 miles per hour and I doubt she set out from the house with the intention of doing that, she likely just doesn't know any better. I know that the result can be the same - I am just making the point that premeditation in the case of the sport bike riders matters. They know they wont get chased because many jurisdictions have policies against it and the plates are so small to be invisible more than 2 car lengths back ... So they do what they want

E.Marquez wrote:

92f-fan wrote: Im not condoning that MC riders are all bad but my experience is that it MUCH more common to see MC drivers acting like buffoons than cars, again on a percentage basis.

Your just not observing well than.. (EDIT: Or I could just never have been in the same area(s) you traverse, and so my observations are just very different then yours)
Likely conditioned to not even see the all too common idiocy of a 4 wheeled vehicle driver... Ask a cop or a over the road truck driver

I drawing a line between being an idiot and driving badly and intentionally driving illegally

There are tons of idiots on 2 wheels and 4 wheels
Im just saying that on a percentage basis I see a much higher percentage of 2 wheel drivers intentionally willfully ignoring laws, lanes, lights and limits ....

Again not making excuses for 4 wheel idiots ...

I'm not sure I wouldn't have done the same thing in the same situation.
Ive never ridden. I'm tiring of Motorcycle riders lumping all "Cage" riders in one lump while insisting that not all motorcycle riders are bad.
Well not all Automobile drivers are the ones not paying attention and not seeing Motorcycles

In my limited experience simply on a percentage basis, I see a great deal more illegal driving per motorcycle I see on the road than per car. I rarely see cars splitting lanes or doing the equivalent of wheelies down the road, cutting curbs, weaving between lanes on freeway, passing on right, ignoring stop signs. its a guess but I would say that at least 15% of the time when I see groups of bikes together on the road I see illegal dangerous activity. I dont see the same percentage issues with of groups of cars.
Just my experience and my expectations.

That particular group of MCs is now saying they had no intention of doing anything illegal. Yet the other youtube videos posted by the same guy ( now taken down off his youtube account ) show 4 wheelers on the road with the MCs which is illegal, they show them weaving traffic, cutting curbs, running lights, blocking traffic, doing wheelies... search on liveleak for his other videos the title is "More footage previous to Range Rover incident"

Im not condoning that MC riders are all bad but my experience is that it MUCH more common to see MC drivers acting like buffoons than cars, again on a percentage basis.