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TheReverend wrote:
I never said these were not bad guys, I just said they might not think tactical as The Annoyed Man thought they should be.

you do bring up an interesting point. We always say that you pull your gun when you fear for your life and I have heard some that say don't pull it if you are not going to shoot it.

How will the LEO respond when you tell them that you pulled your gun, in public and threatened the BGs. You have NO PROOF that you were in any danger and if a LEO shows up and they happen to be around it's your story vs. their story of "we wanted to ask him if he heard the good news and he pulled a gun on us" (told with the most face they can put together).

What does the law say about that?

I believe that all goes back to what Excaliber said about calling 911. If your'e the one to call and make the complaint it will more likely break down in his favor that the OP was the victim, not the two men in the truck.

samobius wrote:you just don't approach someone like that this day in age.

Your'e exactly right. I would never approach anyone in the manner this guy did. As CHL holders we really can't take that chance. If the guy would have grabbed hold of him he could have easily got to his weapon since the guy was so much bigger then the OP. I think he reacted right. The gentleman was already too close for comfort to begin with. Then he starts to reach towards him, you just don't act that way to anyone unless you know them on a personal basis.

kestrel wrote:No worries. In response to a previous reply post, I am male and about 5'11". Hard to say why he chose me as a target; I was in a suit and tie with a trench coat. The VW had my Army veteran stickers and shield from my old unit. The fact that he did target me made me (perhaps subconsciously) a little more alert. The person came at me, opening his arms at shoulder height, palms down...sort of what you'd do if you wanted to lay your hands on a friend's shoulders (hardly the thought, here, I believe) or choke someone. The intimidation was from his size and not his race, actually. That, and the fact that as he opened his door, he blocked me from opening/reaching my driver's side door.

Okay, makes much more sense to me now. We all have to be very alert these days of what happening around you. I wouldn't let him into my personal space just like you did not do. If someone much larger in stature than me confronted me in this way I would be a little worried as well. I probably would have reacted the same way.

The Annoyed Man wrote:
For those reasons, it seems purely in hindsight that the passenger was more likely going to try to hit you up for some money for gas or some other nonsense. You point out that both men were african-americans, but the intimidating factor seems to to be the sheer size of the passenger, rather than his race (hopefully).

Hindsight being 20/20, is it at all possible that the intimidation was due more to the passenger's size than to any purposefully threatening action on his part?

This is a very good point. However, wouldn't you think if he was simply going to ask for something he would so from the passenger seat of the truck and wouldn't feel the need to exit the vehicle?

POSTER ANSWERED IN NEXT POST MY APOLOGIES! The gentleman approaching you was quickly invading your personal space by putting his arms out and walking toward you while you were confined between his vehicle and yours. I don't know what his intentions were but you had to stop him from coming towards you in some way or another and doesn't sound like you had time to verbally command him to stop with how close he sounds like he was.

Would you say he was less than 10 feet away from you and closing in?

The only thing I know that you could have done different would be to turn and run away and try to retreat. Then, stand your ground and command him to stop and return to his vehicle. If he does not comply with that then I think that would be the best time present your weapon and make him aware that you mean business. But, in any case your actions stopped him from whatever he was trying to accomplish and thats what matters. You made it home safe and no one was hurt in the process.

Others, if I am off basis please correct me.