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by sjfcontrol
Fri Jul 15, 2011 8:51 am
Forum: Instructors' Corner
Topic: CHL Instructor Arrested for Selling CHL-100's
Replies: 64
Views: 10054

Re: CHL Instructor Arrested for Selling CHL-100's

bronco78 wrote:
seeker_two wrote:
jimandyen wrote:
What would you like to see happen to him?
seeker_two wrote: 1. I am not a troll. And I'm not an "anarcho-capitalist"....and I'm not even sure what that means. If anything, I'm quite conservative, both fiscally and socially. And I don't see the logic in a budget-constrained state expending resources to prosecute a crime that has little if any ramifications against society and no clearly-defined victims. Let DPS, TSRA, and the NRA shut this "instructor" out of the instructing business....but don't waste money Texas doesn't have to try, convict, and imprison this guy on our dime.
OK, when I start repeating myself, I'm done with this one....I look forward to seeing the press releases and police reports on how this turns out....and how much taxpayer money we blow on it....

Y'all have a nice day..... :tiphat:
IN the Military, we call your position and action Selective Enforcement ie, only enforce the rules (regulations and laws) you agree with. Ignore the opposite .

In your opinion, what metric or standard do you propose we apply to select which laws we enforce?

You have given us this example… But what metric(s) did you apply to come to your decision?
Simply put.. how are you deciding which laws not to enforce?
He indicated that "we" were free to prosecute, if "we" were willing to pay for it. So it sounds to me like he is proposing the taxpayers implement some kind of polling, or voting with dollars as to which laws get enforced. If you believe that a crime needs to be enforced, you put some money into that crime's "pot". So, I gather, when someone is accused of a crime, the pot is checked for that crime, and if there's enough money in it, the prosecution proceeds. If not, the accused must be let go. Seems like a rather willy-nilly way to run a society. :willynilly:
by sjfcontrol
Thu Jul 14, 2011 7:59 pm
Forum: Instructors' Corner
Topic: CHL Instructor Arrested for Selling CHL-100's
Replies: 64
Views: 10054

Re: CHL Instructor Arrested for Selling CHL-100's

I don't understand. Are you, or are you not -- in favor of some kind of poll, where everybody votes with there money, which laws get prosecuted and which get ignored?
by sjfcontrol
Thu Jul 14, 2011 11:00 am
Forum: Instructors' Corner
Topic: CHL Instructor Arrested for Selling CHL-100's
Replies: 64
Views: 10054

Re: CHL Instructor Arrested for Selling CHL-100's

seeker_two wrote:
Bulldog1911 wrote:
seeker_two wrote:all instructors "sell" CHL-100's
No they don't. They sell a service which includes 10 or more hours of class time and a range qualification test. The student, upon completion of these two prior's is given the CHL-100 form.
1. Isn't that like saying that a gas station doesn't sell gas.....it just sells the service of pumping gasoline from an underground tank to your vehicle?

2. How many people take the CHL course(and successfully complete it) without receiving a CHL-100 at the end of the course?

No, the comparison would be how many people DO get the CHL-100 after FAILING the course, because they've "paid" for it already.
by sjfcontrol
Wed Jul 13, 2011 10:58 am
Forum: Instructors' Corner
Topic: CHL Instructor Arrested for Selling CHL-100's
Replies: 64
Views: 10054

Re: CHL Instructor Arrested for Selling CHL-100's

Seeker_two:

1) So I gather you're fine with instructors selling CHL-100's?
2) You'd be OK with a majority of, or all CHL instructors selling CHL-100's, instead of holding classes?
3) You believe, under those circumstances, when the state catches an instructor selling CHL-100's, it should just shrug it's shoulders, and state "No Harm, No Foul"?
by sjfcontrol
Wed Jun 29, 2011 5:08 pm
Forum: Instructors' Corner
Topic: CHL Instructor Arrested for Selling CHL-100's
Replies: 64
Views: 10054

Re: CHL Instructor Arrested for Selling CHL-100's

PracticalTactical wrote:Up here in NM we haven't had anybody caught outright selling class certificates, but we have had a fella who gave a 4-5 hour class when it was supposed to be a minimum of 15 hours.

He also gave students 'range' time by having them fire 5 shots without even checking to see if the shots were on paper or not, and then he would give them paperwork saying they qualified with .45 auto, .45 revolver and .410 derringer, no matter what they showed up with.

NM DPS put a couple of "students" in his class and then shut him down. He struck a plea bargain of some sort and got a slap on the wrist. Unfortunately, DPS revoked every student he taught. For those who lived in his town, they gave a free class taught by DPS instructors but people from all over the state took his bunk class and were out of luck. He was required to give a refund to every student, but nobody ever saw a dime.

I re-taught two such students so they could get their CHL back.

I'm not sure exactly how Texas handles this, but they have no way of knowing who got the full class and who just paid for it. I'll bet they revoke everybody who "took" his class.
Your classes in NM are MINIMUM 15 hours? Wow, I thought ours was the highest requirement at 10 hours minimum (actual requirement is 10-15 hours, before somebody sees fit to correct me. :mrgreen: )
by sjfcontrol
Sun Jun 19, 2011 6:33 pm
Forum: Instructors' Corner
Topic: CHL Instructor Arrested for Selling CHL-100's
Replies: 64
Views: 10054

Re: CHL Instructor Arrested for Selling CHL-100's

Oh what a difference a single letter can make... "rlol" :evil2:

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