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mbw wrote:marksiwel wrote-

"John Browning designed the 1911, then he figured out what he did wrong and designed the Browning Hi Power ."

Hate to burst your bubble here, but JMB did not do the complete design of the P35, he died before completing the design. I can never remember the name of the guy who was working with him at FN at the time, but that is who finished the design and completed the pistol. JMB would have never designed a trigger like what ended up in the P35. He was also adamantly opposed to the double-stack magazine that was the first commercial double-stack made. Browning thought that the magazine would prove to be unreliable for a military weapon. One of the very few times Browning was wrong on a firearm design feature.

What JMB did do was rough out the basic shape of the pistol as well as design the new locking system for the barrel, the system that is used in almost all pistols today, even 75 years later. The P35 feels better in my hand than any other pistol. He got that part very right.

The P35 is a great pistol, one of the best ever made. So is the 1911.

Its just easier to say "John Browning" than to say John Browning and then later Dieudonné Saive finished it off (also Dieudonné Saive desinged the FL Fal)
Are you saying we not give credit to Browning for doing 90% of the work? Of course you arent. I just like giving the 1911 guys a twist now and then

As for the trigger, thats due to (French?) wanting extra saftey features on the gun. The trigger improves greatly once you remove the Magazine disconnect.

longhornmike wrote:thanks mark . sounds like it's kind of "old school" , which is cool at times.

My problem with the 1911, is...(Puts on flak jacket)
Unless you drop some serious Cash, alot of the guns out there are crap.
Kimber makes a fine 1911, but they can run for 2k! When you can buy a Glock for 350-500, heck you could probably get 6 glocks for the price of a Kimber if you haggle with your dealer.

You can also buy some old "Surplus" 1911, but unless you want to go through all the fuss cleaning them up, replacing parts ect to a point where you would put your LIFE on the line that it would work and not fail, you could have bought a glock or a XD. Of course some people see doing all that as fun, I personally dont.

If you have big hands (like me) the 1911 is great btw, if you are small of hand, it can be like handling a brick

I like my Browning Hi Power, better!

John Browning designed the 1911, then he figured out what he did wrong and designed the Browning Hi Power

Why people like the 1911
Its all Metal no Plastic
Its an age old Design thats been PROVEN in Battle
It Fires a Good Sized Bullet, the 45
It easy to take down, its a classic look

The Cons
Its all metal and no plastic, its heavy and bulky
Its an old design and there are some better ways of doing what its doing
The 45 can be alittle too much for people, slow to get the gun back for follow up shots, also you can hold less ammo in the mag with a .45 than a 40 or 9mm
There are easier guns to take down and some see the look as "Out dated"

Compared to a Browning Hi Power
They are Both all Metal the Browning is lighter (most of the time)
The Browning has less of a Jamming Problem than the 1911, and has been a standard side Arm in Europe since ww2, it was used by the Brits and the Nazis!
It holds 13 9mm which in 1935 was ALOT OF ammo, you can also get 15 round magazines, and 20 round magazine. They even have the BHP in .40 S&w and its just a reliable as the 9mm
The Browning Hi power is SOOOOOO much easier to field strip than a 1911, and is almost painfully stupid.

I could go on, but I want to point out, I dont hate the 1911, hell I want one BAD, its just not the be all end alll. Its just a popular Pistol here in America because of the caliber and its history