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bdickens wrote:Purplehood is 100% correct about the dirtbags one finds in the Army. The very guy who is supposed to be covering your flank is going to be the first one to steal from you. There's still a lot of soldiers in the Army under the "join the Army or go to jail" program. I even had one of those guys working for me.

I thought they werent allowed to do that anymore (the jail thing)?

Purplehood wrote:All of these statements coming out of the woodwork regarding Hassan and his fitness, yet he made Major in 8 years? Was the Army afraid to say, "He is not qualified for advancement" for some particular reason?

Maybe he was good at his job, but was a total whack job other than that. I could be wrong, but I've worked with people who "On the job" are the best, but outside of that are completely insane/drunk/drug addicts, they just dont let it leak into their job.

I have the uneasy feeling its because of his background, and no one wanted to be "that guy" who points out that he seemed to be unfit for duty.

Do you want to be "That Guy"? I dont. I worked with "That guy" who pointed out the unfortunately a deaf person was not going to be able to preform the duties needed of the job. He was let go because of it. Too bad he was 100% correct and after months of pure hell we had to let the deaf person go, who then sued the hell out of us.

I guess I'm gonna sound defensive, but here we go

I guess I cant understand why being in the military would give me an in site to why it would be okay to leave Thousands of people at Military Bases, known terrorist targets (Remember NJ?), defenseless. Not only people who are active military, but military families and civilians too.
I have a father who is a former Marine and Sister who is active an Airforce Pilot (and officer) who just back from Afghanistan who also dont get why military bases are left as such "Soft" targets for crazys and evil doers.

But I guess I never served in the military so what does my opinion count right?

KD5NRH wrote:

Purplehood wrote:I don't know how many times I needed to change into PT gear or get down and dirty.

If the armed forces are incapable of going for a run or digging a hole while armed, then the problem is worse that we've been discussing.

If I'm reading the post correctly, we can send Marines and the Army to Iraq with Missiles, Tanks, Machine guns, and hand grenades, but we cant trust the same soldiers to protect themselves at home with Pistols, in the US.

Does not compute

Dudley wrote:

stroo wrote:I have no problem with gun free zones under certain conditions one being that the party responsible for the zone ensure that it is gun free.

The penalty should be an eye for an eye.

If someone is a theft victim in a gun free zone, the politicians who made the policy should reimburse them.

If someone is injured in a gun free zone, the politicians who made the policy should be injured in kind.

If someone is raped or murdered in a gun free zone...

They wouldnt pass another law in our lifetime

Purplehood wrote:

Oldgringo wrote:While I have never served in uniform, I have worked on enough military installations around the country the past 40 years to know that it is indeed a different world in the military. I salute the men and women in uniform for keeping me and mine free and safe.

Let's not let this thread degenerate to an us vs. them debate.

Agreed. In fact, I personally would like to hear from Vets regarding this issue that disagree with me.

Time for a new thread maybe?


http://www.csmonitor.com/2009/1110/p02s15-usgn.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

After reading this, would it be okay to "Profile" in the military to avoid problems like this.
30-40 Year Old
Unmarried
Super Religious
Had a history of speaking out against the war and being confrontational about it
Sounds like he or others like him should atleast get a Once over from the Authorities

its not uncommon to see people walking around with their Sig 556 in Switzerland on their back going about their day

Did McVeigh wage a Crusade when he blew up the OKC building? no, he's just crazy pants, same with this Dirtbag

karder wrote:The FN Five-seveN is a popular pistol here on the border. The are expensive, but not illegal. The ammo is pretty widely available, you can even get it at Cabelas. FN sales it as a military pistol with the capability of piercing body armor, but that is only with full load 5.7x28mm. In the US, these rounds are not for sale. You have to get what they term "sporting" rounds which to my understanding are water downed 5.7x28mm. The inability to legally use full scale 5.7x28mm makes it, in my opinion, a curiosity weapon. Very cool, high capacity, and unique, but probably not more deadly than what any of us are currently carrying in our belts right now. They are hugely popular with the Mexican cartel in Juarez specifically because of their armor piercing capabilities with the real ammo. It is not exactly on my short list, but I guess I better pick up one before they make it illegal.

So if you handload our own ammo, could make it AP? its gotta be more complicated than that right? I guess the Cartels are getting it from their contacts in the Mexican Military or as the Dems would say "The Gun Show loophole"

saw this about the 5.7
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1670546/posts" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Police executed a court-authorized raid of the home of William Davis, 21, brother Clarence Davis, 18, and friend Gquan Lloyd, 18, Wednesday morning and found a notoriously powerful Fabrique Nationale 5.7 handgun along with another less-powerful handgun and a bag of cocaine, according to DA Richard Brown. The gun, called a "cop killer" by many for its ability to pierce 48 layers of bullet-proof Kevlar, is the first of its type to be recovered by authorities in New York City.

"The FN 5.7 is a lethal handgun imported from Belgium and capable of easily penetrating most police vets and plates," Brown said. "While this is the first time that such a deadly weapon has been recovered in New York City, its presence is troubling and makes the job of street cops that much more dangerous." Since 1994, 425 of the 616 police officers killed in the line of duty have been killed with a FN 5.7, the DA said.



That sounds like bull to me.

Also doesnt Kevlar only work when its being bent (like on a Torso) and not just layed on top of each other?
Also aint very bullet proof it cant stop bullets