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My point behind this whole issue is that if we can get people to think beyond the propaganda that “guns cause violence” we can knock the wheels from under the gun control issue.

If every time Dianne Feinstein and her ilk try to make guns the culprit, we remind people that many more causes are at work here, then we can enlighten the public on the Second Amendment and that someday Feinstein may go to work on the First Amendment.

apostate wrote:

VoiceofReason wrote:A question. You don’t need to answer but be honest with yourself. When watching a movie, don’t you have at least as little desire to kill that $#%^ that raped that mans wife and killed his whole family?

"I mean, I wanna, I wanna kill. Kill. I wanna, I wanna see, I wanna see blood and gore and guts and veins in my teeth."

Interesting smoke screen,

If graphic violence doesn’t desensitize people, I wonder why movie and video game producers feel they must keep pushing the envelope more and more to get the desired effect?

nightmare69 wrote:So what are you wanting to do here? Ban violent games and movies? Just like guns, violent games and movies are here to stay. I will continue to play and watch them and I have no disire to commit acts of violence.

I am not wanting to do anything here except get people to see something they don’t want to see. I don’t believe I mentioned or even insinuated banning violent movies and video games.

Right now there are people doing their best to convince people that guns are the cause of violence, the only cause and if guns are banned, there will be a lot less violence.

Violent games and movies are here to stay but if they convince enough people, I wouldn’t bet on guns. The idea is that when the gun grabbers try to convince people that guns are the cause of violence, all the other causes should be pointed out too.

I will continue to play and watch them and I have no disire to commit acts of violence.

A question. You don’t need to answer but be honest with yourself. When watching a movie, don’t you have at least as little desire to kill that $#%^ that raped that mans wife and killed his whole family?

When I was growing up, violence was to be used only as a last resort, for self defense. People now laugh at Roy Rogers and other older cowboy movies. Then movies started showing up with a revenge theme. “Death Wish” with Charles Bronson was one of the earliest one I can remember.

In a lot of movies now, killing someone for revenge is “OK” and with as much blood and screaming as possible.

I did not intend to say these are the sole cause of violence, just that they contribute to society to lower our humanity just a little. A steady stream of this every day is bound to have an effect on the adolescent mind whether people realize it or not.

I wonder what Roy Rogers would say about the movie “The Unforgiven” if he saw it now?

As I said “People think to themselves, “that’s only a movie or video game”. “I would never kill someone for revenge or go on a killing spree because I got fired from a job”. “Someone else might do that but I wouldn’t”. It never crosses their mind that “someone else” goes to the movies they do, “someone else” works where they do, “someone else” goes to the school their children do.

People who play video games are less able to control impulsive aggressive behaviour, a new study suggests.
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Science has come to a general consensus that violent TV does have an effect on kids' behavior, although doesn't say it causes children to act out the violence they see on the screen.
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Violent movies can increase violent responses in real life.
Two recently published studies show that prolonged exposure to gratuitous violence in the media can escalate subsequent hostile behaviors and, among some viewers, foster greater acceptance of violence as a means of conflict resolution.
The two studies were conducted by James B. Weaver III, head of the Department of Communication at Virginia Tech, and Dolf Zillmann of the University of Alabama.
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This country doesn’t have a chance of continuing as one nation.

In the news, “Chicago crime stats debated as magazine calls police claim of 'progress' an illusion.” “Chicago Magazine claims that under pressure from Mayor Rahm Emanuel, Chicago cops have been reclassifying murders and violent crimes.”

“McCarthy and Emanuel held a press conference Friday morning” “Once again, they both continued to insist the problem would not be solved without toughening up gun laws.”

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As long as people refuse to even consider that violent movies contribute to violence in society and younger people and teenagers ridicule the idea that violent video games contribute to violence in society we will continue to become more violent as a society.

People refuse to believe these things because they love violent movies and video games. The oldest truth in the world is probably “you can’t fix a problem until you admit you have a problem”.

Blaming guns (or knives) for violence is the easiest “solution”. Wrong but the easiest. People don’t see the sacrifice necessary. “I don’t have a gun so I don’t have to give up anything”. They don’t see that they give up their ability to resist criminals and/or a totalitarian government, possibly for the rest of their lives.

People think to themselves, “that’s only a movie or video game”. “I would never kill someone for revenge or go on a killing spree because I got fired from a job”. “Someone else might do that but I wouldn’t”.

It never crosses their mind that “someone else” goes to the movies they do, “someone else” works where they do, “someone else” goes to the school their children do.

I believe most of the older folks on this board remember that when we grew up, guns were common but you didn’t hear of the school and other mass shootings you do now.

As long as people sit quietly and don’t keep pointing out the real problems, this country doesn’t have a chance.