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by drjoker
Wed Oct 28, 2009 11:00 am
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Restaurant Robbers
Replies: 91
Views: 9831

Re: Restaurant Robbers

Pete92FS wrote:
drjoker wrote:Every time I enter a room, I take stock of everyone there and try my best to "make" or identify other fellow CHL carriers (who might come to my aid). .
Vests and Hawaiin shirts? "rlol"
No, guys who have TWO (2) "wallets" in both back pockets. Fake pagers carried IN FRONT. Fanny packs with big rip cords.

Other modes of carry are very difficult to spot. That's why I'm not using the Pager Pal much anymore (see my posted pager pal review). I'm using Smartcarry now. Smartcarry prints, but it prints like an adult diaper, not a gun. If you're older, people will not suspect you have a gun, they'll just assume that you are incontinent.
by drjoker
Tue Oct 27, 2009 2:04 am
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Restaurant Robbers
Replies: 91
Views: 9831

Re: Restaurant Robbers

Of course, for almost all of us, all this is just armchairism because most of us have never experienced shooting it out with 6 armed thugs before. We can say what we'll do, but we really don't know how we'll react if it happens for real. For all I know, I could just freeze, wet my pants, or run. It's never happened to me before, so who knows what I'll really do?

However, I will try my best to help defend the innocent from murder at the hands of armed thugs.
by drjoker
Sun Oct 25, 2009 5:16 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Restaurant Robbers
Replies: 91
Views: 9831

Re: Restaurant Robbers

My wife makes fun of me for doing so, but I always try to sit with my back to the wall and next to an exit. Every time I enter a room, I take stock of everyone there and try my best to "make" or identify other fellow CHL carriers (who might come to my aid). I also make a mental note of any possible perps (young guys with hoodies on a TX summer day).

In this situation, I would not try to guess whether they're "peaceful" robbers or if they'll kill someone. My wife would make a beeline for the door (she's good at that) and I'll run behind the metal door post and start shooting from that cover. Most of the young "homies" have never been to the range to practice. They are poor shots. A few are crack shots just back from Iraq (our government has been desperate for recruits, so they have been "overlooking" some criminal records). I would shoot the most confident one (best shot) or leader first. I'll save the ones who are sitting next to other CHL carriers to be shot last (they might come to my aid, but as I've read on this forum, probably not). Once one of them go down, the others will flee. Thugs are lazy. If they weren't lazy, they'd be gainfully employed, right? Shooting it out for a cash register till is hard work. Trust me, they'll flee. Faced with combat stress, people will either freeze, fight, or flee. The fighter is probably the leader, that's why he gets shot first. The ones who freeze with a gun in their hand will be shot next. Thugs who flee will be spared. So, although it seems like you're fighting enormous odds, with the proper tactical mindset, you're only fighting ONE perp. In a group of 6 perps, only the leader will probably fight, but the others will either flee or freeze. If your family is safely out the door and you have cover behind a metal door post, then you could effectively defeat a group of 6 perps.

Some poster mentioned that he was afraid that he'll accidentally hit another diner. In such a situation, most diners will be underneath their tables. Firing head shots at the only people standing upright, the perps, will place the shots far enough away from the diners so that even if you miss, you won't hit a diner.

I am a big chicken and I am not a brave man, HOWEVER sometimes a MAN has to do what a MAN has to do. A real man would defend the innocent against thugs. Plus, if they're in the open waving guns around and you have cover, YOU have the tactical advantage even though you are seemingly outnumbered (seemingly outnumbered because only the leader is the fighter in most thug gangs, so you're only fighting one person).

I once knew an elderly Chinese man who held back THOUSANDS of armed Japanese with just a musket (not even a gun!). The Japanese have a rule that they cannot allow enemy soldiers to be left alive behind their lines, so this Chinese gentleman and his buddy were going to fire a shot from old muskets then hide. While the Japanese were looking for them, their families will evacuate their village and hide in the mountains. His buddy chickened out but he fired a shot and hid. It took the Japanese hours to find his buddy and kill him (ironic, huh?). Thinking they found their shooter, they stopped looking for the shooter and left the Chinese man in hiding. Meanwhile in the hours that they took to find and kill his buddy, his village was able to run and hide in the mountains. He saved his entire family and all his neighbors. If my elderly Chinese friend can fight off thousands of armed Japanese with an antique musket, YOU might be surprised to find yourself able to fend off 6 measly "homies" !

:patriot: :txflag: :fire

P.S. Other villages did not do so good. The Japanese used babies instead of clay pigeons for target practice in neighboring towns. In the other thread about an armed restaurant holdup in Arizona, the thugs killed a restaurant employee for sport. Do YOU want to bet that they'll only take "stuff" and not shoot you or your family for sport? I'd rather bet that if I shoot the leader, the rest will either freeze or flee. Putting yourself at the mercy of thugs never ends well.

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