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03Lightningrocks wrote:

chabouk wrote:

surprise_i'm_armed wrote: Although the Republican mantra about personal responsibility is well-known,
it's a heck of a way to run an airline when corporate profits belong to the corporation
and its shareholders, but gargantuan losses are socialized to the taxpaying citizens of
the country to absorb.

Welcome to the financial model of fascism.

Perfect example of what I have been talking about.... LOL. Nothing about it is fascism.

That is exactly the financial model of fascism: socialized risk for private profit.

"Fascist" is an overused and frequently misunderstood word. Take it out of the realm of talking points and actually study it, and you'll understand that we have been under a fascist government for quite some time, no matter which party was in power.

surprise_i'm_armed wrote: Although the Republican mantra about personal responsibility is well-known,
it's a heck of a way to run an airline when corporate profits belong to the corporation
and its shareholders, but gargantuan losses are socialized to the taxpaying citizens of
the country to absorb.

Welcome to the financial model of fascism.

Brilliant, TAM.

Thank you for the rant.

pbwalker wrote:

chabouk wrote:He also supports the "Fair Tax", which isn't.

How so? (not being argumentative...just curious because everything I have read says otherwise)

This is straying off topic, but I have several objections to FT.

First, it puts the entire country on welfare, via the prebate check.

Next, it does so in a horribly intrusive way, by requiring you to register your whole family to get the check.

And, it does not "eliminate the IRS", despite the proponents' claims. It will require just as many (possibly more) Treasury employees devoted to collecting, processing, auditing, investigating, and prosecuting.

It creates a huge incentive for black market sales to avoid the sales tax. Their calculations might be correct that the sales tax and embedded taxes would cancel each other out, making the retail price the same. But the incentives to avoid correctly stating the sales price (reducing the tax), or not reporting them at all, are huge.

Finally, it doesn't guarantee that an income tax wouldn't be added on later.

Reduce the budget to just year 2000 levels, repeal the 16th Amendment, then we'll talk.

pdubyoo wrote: While I appreciate the efforts of folks like Mike Huckabee, the fact that the Dems don't talk about him ANY tells me that he's a non-threatening politician.

It hurts a lot of "family values" voters' feelings when I point this out, but Mike Huckabee isn't a conservative when it comes to government and taxes. He's another "big government conservative" like Dubya turned out to be. I used to live in Arkansas, and Huckabee never saw a program or issue that he didn't think could be handled better by the centralized government than by local communities. He massively increased the size and power of state government.

He also supports the "Fair Tax", which isn't.

marksiwel wrote:

chabouk wrote:

Dudley wrote:

pbwalker wrote:I didn't like the decision McCain made - from the get go.

I still can't believe they nominated him. It's like the Republicans wanted to lose.

Right. The problem half of the ticket wasn't Palin.

Darn them for putting someone who would get Republican and Possible Democrat votes, what were they thinking?

I know several people who quit the election in disgust after McCain was nominated, and were only persuaded to vote at all after Palin was named.

Dudley wrote:

pbwalker wrote:I didn't like the decision McCain made - from the get go.

I still can't believe they nominated him. It's like the Republicans wanted to lose.

Right. The problem half of the ticket wasn't Palin.

I heard today on the radio (haven't had time to verify it) that the Associated Press assigned 11 reporters to fact-check Palin's book page by page. Number of AP fact-checkers assigned to books by Kennedy, Obama, or the Clintons? Zero.

Edit to add:
http://www.theweek.com/article/index/10 ... arah_Palin" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

After seeing that McCain made her pay the cost of the vetting (but only after he lost!), I'm not surprised she quit her job to publish a book. They're not wealthy people.

If she was a train wreck, an albatross, a millstone, it wasn't from her actions or shortcomings. No matter who the GOP nominees were, one or both of them would have been ridiculed and portrayed as mean/incompetent/corrupt (or any other handy stereotype).