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OneGun wrote: ↑Wed May 27, 2020 2:02 pm

oljames3 wrote: ↑Wed May 27, 2020 12:33 am

03Lightningrocks wrote: ↑Tue May 26, 2020 11:58 pm

OneGun wrote: ↑Tue May 26, 2020 9:48 pm This is sad:

Arturo Cordovez and his wife, Dr. Lia Franco, are natives of Ecuador who currently live in New Orleans where Lia is finishing her medical residency. In the last few months, Dr. Franco has been treating COVID-19 patients day after day. To decompress, the couple decided to spend the weekend in Houston over the Memorial Day holiday to unwind.

"She stopped behind us,” Arturo Cordovez said. “After that she started showing a hammer through the mirror. She was shaking her arm ... and cursing at us I think. I was thinking what did I do?”



The woman got out of her car, with a hammer and seemed to be threatening them with it. Before the situation escalated further, the police arrived and took her into custody.

Racism knows no bounds in the 21st Century.

Complete Story here: https://www.click2houston.com/news/loca ... uple-says/

I am curious, at what point would a person be justified in using deadly force against a person attacking you with a hammer? They had already attempted to get away from her but she followed them into a parking lot and escalated her attack to approaching with a deadly weapon. In this particular situation I would not have shot angry Karen due to my belief that I could have overwhelmed her physically, but does that mean I am required to use lessor force? I am thinking she is real lucky she did not find herself at the business end of a firearm. Everybody and their dog carry a pistol in the car these days.

One hard blow from a hammer could easily cause death or serious bodily injury (TPC 901(3)). If the hammer wielder is on the other side of an 8 lane highway, their impact weapon is not a legitimate threat. Assuming that one faces a deadly force threat, one must then consider the 5 elements of a good self-defense claim. As attorney Andrew Branca says, " ... there are at most 5 elements to any self-defense case (and often not even that many). That’s it—just 5. And that’s true in every one of the 50 states, and all US territories" https://lawofselfdefense.com/beginjourney/.

Innocence - You can’t start the fight.
Imminence - The law allows you to defend yourself from an attack that’s either happening or about to happen very soon, meaning within seconds.
Proportionality - If the threat you’re facing is non-deadly, then you’re only allowed to use non-deadly force in response. If the force you’re facing is deadly in nature, then you’re entitled to use deadly force OR non-deadly force to defend yourself.
Avoidance - Could you have safely avoided the fight? That’s the question the fourth element addresses.
Reasonableness - Everything that you perceive, decide, and do in defense of yourself or others must be reasonable and prudent, given the circumstances you faced, the information you knew, and your abilities (or disabilities).

I imagine that I might draw my gun and warn the woman to drop the hammer. If she keeps advancing towards me dropping f-bombs and yelling, I might pull the trigger when she is within striking distance. However, the point is, what was she thinking carrying around a hammer and waiving it at people in a threatening manner?