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mojo84 wrote:I was wondering where the "third party" comment came from.

baldeagle wrote:

dale blanker wrote:

baldeagle wrote:

dale blanker wrote:

DevilDawg wrote:All of this couldn't be scripted better by the Democrats/Liberals/etc. if they tried. This clown show is helping Hillary win. The GOP is on large a pack of self-serving idiots who can't put Country before self. Sadly we will yet once again get the "leadership" we deserve and watch our rights further be stripped away.

Agreed about the clown show but not sure what is meant by "our rights further stripped away". I see that mentioned on the forum and elsewhere every once in a while so I'm wondering what rights I'm losing. It seems like gays have more rights, the poor have better health care, some illegals are still doing better, and the market is up. I'm not saying everything is rosy but at least we don't have Greece's problems (debt vs GDP-wise). Please enlighten me.

OK. Be glad to. In the 1920's you could buy a machinegun from a catalog, no questions asked. Now you have to fill out a bunch of forms, undergo an extensive background check and pay prohibitive taxes (all fees are really taxes) for the "right" to own one. Today, you can't legally dig a pond in your backyard without the government's permission. You can't buy a new toilet, a refrigerator, a washer or dryer, a car, and many other things without first having gotten the government's approval. There are thousands and thousands of laws and regulations that can trip you up and cost you your life savings and your freedom. Now, some politicians are trying to make speaking ill of favored groups a federal crime.

I could go on and on for hours, but if you really think you are as free as your ancestors were, maybe you need to pay closer attention to what's going on around you.

Gee thanks, now I feel terrible too. But if I had lived in the 20's I would have enjoyed getting my beer more than my machine gun which you mentioned first, apparently as most important. Remember prohibition? Remember Jim Crow laws?

Some of the regulations you resent conserve, keep us safer, set standards, and actually save us money in the long run. People that put cost over safety frequently end us costing us more in the long run.

In general, I'll gladly take the 2010s over the 1920s. Oh wait, now I feel better.

All those things you mention are nice, but they come at a steep cost - government control. What makes you think the marketplace wouldn't have come up with more efficient machines without government interference? What makes you think people wouldn't conserve without the government forcing them to? The problem you have is almost universal these days. You can't imagine doing "right" without the government mandating it. But that's not freedom. I wore a seatbelt before it was forced on us, because it made sense to do it. It still makes sense to do it, but now you can be arrested for not doing it.

You, like so many Americans these days, don't understand what freedom is.

o b juan wrote:From Dale Blanker""t at least we don't have Greece's problems (debt vs GDP-wise). Please enlighten me.

OK
our debt now stands @18.3 trillion

Our GDP Now stands @17.8 trillion

and today each taxpayer owes if I remember correctly 791,000 (Taxpayers)

What is greeces debt to gdp Dale ?

Go to google and type in U S Govt Debt there are some #s that wil make your guts cramp

jimlongley wrote:

K.Mooneyham wrote:I voted for John McCain in 2008 because I believed that the alternative was worse, and I believe that time has proven my thoughts correct. I also voted for Romney in 2012 for the same reason. I'm sure that John McCain served this nation honorably in uniform, and I have nothing bad to say about his military service. However, as much as many of you may not like Donald Trump's bombastic style, he is still saying what needs to be said about huge number of illegal aliens in our country, which has been nothing short of an invasion of this nation, and brought in far too many hard-core criminals, as well. Go online and look and see how many people are backing Trump right now because of that, if for no other reason. If you think that turning a blind eye to the invasion of illegals will make it all better, then you are sadly mistaken. For the record, I seriously doubt Trump will still be in the running come election time. But I sure am glad he got this issue out in the open now, since no one else wanted to talk about it.

I did much the same.

But I also don't see McCain as a "hero." He did indeed serve long and honorably and with bravery, and suffered inhumane imprisonment after getting shot down, but his actions don't rise to the hero level for me, and as one who served in the same time frame, I knew a couple of real heros.

jmra wrote:

dale blanker wrote:

maintenanceguy wrote:McCain is a war hero and has my respect as a soldier.

As a public servant and Senator, he's a disaster.

Yes he may be a disaster but Trump is a joke. And McCain's still way above average compared to other senators including McConnell or Cruz don't you think? Note that Cruz wouldn't comment on Trump's comments on McCain because they are both Cruz's friends. I cannot imagine McCain regarding Cruz as a friend.

Too bad his staff messed up his '08 campaign with Palin or we all might be a lot better off now with McCain as POTUS.

McCain didn't need any help messing up his campaign.