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Heartland Patriot wrote:
Were those murders, or homicides? There is a difference. Also, I found the article in "The Voice" about intentional under-reporting of crime in NYC to be very enlightening...not surprising, per se, but enlightening.

Don't know, I think murders. Yes, "The Voice" article was very interesting and funny (to me) to read. They certainly have their own culture in NYC. With that many police officers, it must be hard to control all of them.

tbrown wrote:

philip964 wrote:Honolulu was 2

http://www.honolulupd.org/download/HPD2 ... tstats.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

2 murders per 100,000 people. 19 Murders in Honolulu in 2010. All but 4 solved. Only five murders involved a gun.

Only 4% of property crimes solved.

Your site was much prettier than the FBI's.

On owning a gun in Hawaii: You must register your firearm (including rifles and shotguns) within 72 hours of arrival into Hawaii. Your registered firearm must remain in your home or place of business. Transportation is permitted but only for specific reasons, such as transportation to your new residence, etc. Then it must be unloaded and in a container. Concealed carry is permitted by license only. No information is provided on how to obtain a concealed carry permit, as I think it is impossible. There is even a section on how no law enforcement officer from the mainland is permitted to have their weapon with them for any reason whatsoever and there is no method or avenue for a that to be changed. Assault handguns are prohibited. Only needed two features to be considered an assault handgun, for example, threaded end on the barrel, separate magazine from the grip, among others.

So why does El Paso have such a low murder rate? If your going to kill anyone you take them to Mexico to do it?

Jumping Frog wrote: Well, if you want to talk numbers. The 2010 FBI uniform crime statistics lists 620.7 violent crimes per 100,000 people for Houston, while New York has 391.9. Houston's crime rate is 158% of New York's rate (58% higher).

Here they are by category. All are rate per 100,000 people, per http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/cr ... es/table-6" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;:


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For murder from 2010 per 100,000 people from the table above.

Chicago was curiously missing?

New York area was 4.7
New York by itself was 6.4

Los Angeles area was 5.3
Los Angeles byitself was 7.62

Houston area was 7.3
Houston by itself was 11.7

Austin's rate was 3.7

Dallas Fort Worth area was 4.7
Dallas by itself was 11.33

San Antonio area was 4.7
El Paso's rate for murder was .9
Victoria was 6.9

New Orleans was 20.8

Honolulu was 2 (strict gun control)

San Fransisco was 4.0
Oakland was 7.7
Stockton was 16.7 (hmmmm)

Detroit by itself was 34.4
Souix City was 0.0

St Louis was 7.7

Philadelphia was 9.1

But these numbers were for 2010.

New York had 536 murders in 2010 Houston had 269 vs 2011 New York had around 500 and Houston had 198. That would bring down Houston to 8.6 per 100,000 in 2011.

So even with this big reduction in Houston's murder rate we are still much worse off than the rest of Texas and the US. Who knew?

Houston's murders were down this year to a level not seen since 1965. I think it was 198. Less than one a day. This would be all murders, crimes of passion, etc. New York had just over 500 murders. So it would seem that we are even not 58% worse.

When I was there last (yes I admit I visited New York of my own free will) I noticed that the police were everywhere on foot. In the area I was in, it seemed there was a uniformed office at each street corner. (they were not directing traffic)

I made the assumption, at the time, that this high number of police per person had developed as the minimum requirement to keep the peace. I guess, apparently left to their own New York is not a peaceful place.

When you compare that to Houston, where you have one police office in a car covering a few square miles, we are a much more civilized group of citizens as a whole.