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Rafe wrote: ↑Tue Jul 23, 2024 11:31 am

philip964 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 23, 2024 11:14 am So a 4” dia bullseye at 150 yards is a low percentage shot.

Attachment suggests quite a delay in counter fire. Why?

Google ain't helpin' me find any specifics, but if I recall correctly, while Crooks was about 150 yards from Trump the distance from the successful counter-sniper to Crooks was a bit over double that, more on the order of 350-400 yards. If that's the case, then I'd say that a single-shot kill under kinetic conditions with only a portion of the head visible would qualify as a difficult shot.

Me, I can shoot single ragged holes in a target all day long. At a distance of about 3 feet...

Mike S wrote: ↑Mon Jul 22, 2024 10:19 pm

philip964 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 22, 2024 6:05 pm I asked some guys in the security business, I respect, about why the counter sniper did not fire earlier. They said without question that he or she was waiting for authorization to fire.

They also said it was not a one in a million shot that the counter sniper made.

They also said something about a pooch.

I really didn't need anymore evidence than what they told me.

Respectfully, the guys you spoke to are incorrect. What the USSS, like any domestic counter-sniper team needs to have, according to Graham V Connor, is to be able to ID an actual lethal threat before taking the shot. If the snipers had observed the loonies rifle, that would have been all the justification they would need to smoke him. No "Green Light" is needed in the real world, unless that is a local protocol for some risk-averse departments.

Some stupid person low crawling on the reverse slope of a metal roof isn't a clearly articulated lethal threat to the protectee or others life. Obviously both the N & S ctr-sniper teams were made aware there was someone on the roof, because both teams repositioned to orient on him. What we dont know is what info was blasted out that the snipera were tracking; if they had a clear target description & knew dipstick had a rifle, then as soon as they had a shot I'd imagine they'd take it, even if they couldn't see the rifle but other LEOs had reported it would still pass the Grahm test & as soon as his head crested over the peak of the roof it would have (or should have) came apart.

One in a million shot is likely an overstatement; a better way of saying it would be "it was a low-percentage shot", & as a shooting forum we'll understand that means there was very little of the dude's head exposed for the sniper to aim at. ((I wasn't there & don't have anything other than what's been publicly discussed, and that's what I'm basing this on)). But, as a former sniper & instructor I can tell you it only takes seconds to pivot on your bipod or tripod & engage a head shot at 200 meters, IF you are already oriented very near to where the head is expected to pop up. We call them "Snap Engagements", or "Snaps". And it seems that within seconds of the loonie firing he was neutralized. So, this isn't likely on the snipers.

Now, whoever was responsible for the site plan & decided to NOT establish an off limits area around that building, and allowed civilians to congregate in that area, that should be a career ender.

There's a lot of info in the public domain already, and a metric poop ton more of people spouting off click bait. Let's be better than that on this forum.