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C-dub wrote:If we were to require or allow everyone over 18 or 21 to carry a firearm concealed or openly I definitely think gun related deaths would go up. There would be more accidents and people doing stupid things with their weapons. That would be just simple odds. I mean, how many murders are committed where the vehicle is the weapon? However, I don't necessarily think violent gun related deaths would increase. It might, but not that much. These would probably decrease due to the fact that criminals, like electricity, will take the path of least resistance when at all possible. What we would probably see is more break-ins after hours, when stores are closed and when people aren't home and less face-to-face robberies.

Hence the whole "appropriate, practical, and ethical" training required part....

lonewolf wrote: ...Sad, but very true, but I don't see CHL or the laws being updated/changed as being the be-all end-all to violence. Most people are taken by surprise. Most people (am guessing here) wouldn't get a CHL. Evidenced by the fact that we are a definite minority of the general population. We are even a minority among gun owners. Probably always will be.

If we were to go to the opposite extreme, and all 300+million in the country carried guns all the time, I think the rate of gun violence would escalate in that scenario. Right now, at least a smart crook has the fear of the unknown armed citizen to deal with. Knowing we were all armed would just make their tactics worse and fatalities higher. On both sides. I believe we are at war with crime, but that it is a war we will never totally win. I'm just trying to even the odds a little...

With regards to the statements in red, I disagree. With appropriate, practical, and ethical training made a requirement and the PROPER application of the law; nation wide open carry would ,IMO, create the closest thing to a crime free society anyone has ever seen. I understand the inherent issues of abuse and misuse with this system. But the same national goodwill that keeps the country from going all to heck now, would keep the wrong doers in check. If this system were accepted and encouraged by the government and media, and not portraid as a questionable or debateable right; then there would be little to no taboo or ill effect socially as a result. Think of it this way. Everyone drives. 3,000 pound metal cages on wheels that are controlled by the same operating systems(people) that control firearms. There are laws you need to follow to operate one and consequences for abusing them. Drunk drivers kill more people then liscensed firearms holders but nobody screams "outlaw the cars!". Take the open carry state of Arizona, its still there and its not running red with blood at the borders. And I could be wrong but I believe that the Country of Sweden REQUIRES each household to have a gun in the home, I think they even have a system where they give out state issue firearms. And again Sweden is still pumping out Swedes. Please don't take this as that I think we should be like Sweden. I only mean that guns are around and people haven't sunken to the deepset places off madness and cruelty. Those that would trample fearlessly on the free wills of the common American are like roaches hiding in the night and armed Americans are the light. Fill the house(America) with light and there's no place left for the roaches to hide. I know I'm probably gonna get some flack for this, but its thats how I see it. And at least for now, I can still have my own opinion and express it(use it or loose it).

preacher wrote:This just in...

Board member: Let Lumberton teachers carry guns
By RACHAEL HARTMAN
September 11, 2009
Posted: September 11, 2009, 4:53 PM CDT Last updated: September 11, 2009, 5:05 PM CDT

A Lumberton school board member's suggestion Thursday night to allow specific people to legally carry concealed weapons on the district's campuses will be looked at, the board president said.

Peter Morrison made the proposal during a board meeting, board president Margaret Cruse said, and "There was enough interest by the board to investigate it since it was proposed."

However, she said that doesn't indicate that anyone is in favor of it or that the board will take action.

"It is in Dr. (Ron) Sims' hands now to research the proposal. We are going to be doing research on it and seeing where we go from there," Cruse said, referring to the district's superintendent.

Lumberton Police Chief Danny Sullins, who was not at the meeting, nevertheless knows where he stands on the proposal.

"I have a concern with people carrying guns on campus; peacefully or not peacefully, lawfully or not lawfully," Sullins said.

Sullins also said that it doesn't take long for police officers to arrive at any of the Lumberton schools when they are called.

Lumberton is a bedroom community near Beaumont. About 8000 population. Personally I like Mr. Morrison's proposal. But I doubt it will make it. The rest of the board is not for it, including one board member who is currently waiting for his CHL.

Somehow that just don't cut it. God forbid anything happen, but we carry in the event the unthinkable happens. Should tragedy strike I wonder how many parents would be ok with the explenation of "It didn't take us long to get here...". A 30 second response time is inifinitly better than a 60 second response time much less a 2 to 5 minute response time. I acknowledge I don't know anything about this "Chief" Sullins, but he sounds a bit left handed to me. And by chance does he wear a big red nose and oversized shoes?