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Greybeard wrote:Quote: "who wants to stay in a classroom for 13 hours in one day...students or instructors? None, apparently."

Don't be so sure about that. From 8:00 a.m. to 7:00 p.m. with a one-hour lunch break has been my standard "classroom" format for years. Then, for those who want to shoot the same day, we go to the indoor range (right next to the classroom). It makes for a looooong day, but that is the way most folks prefer. At least "experienced" people - I do not try to integrate new shooters in the range on the same day.

Well that's good to hear. I wish mine had been like that. I just think that slightly shifting the hours required in either direction would have a positive impact on the instructors who don't feel as adamant about it as you do.

AWB09 wrote:

sjfcontrol wrote:The "procedural" time (filling out forms, pictures, fingerprints, etc) is not supposed to be counted toward the 10 hours of class time. That's supposed to be instructional time only.

Maybe it's supposed to be, but from the stories I hear it's common for instructors to spend hours on the "procedural" and short change the teaching. Look how many people "pass" their CHL class and have no clue about where is off limits, confuse the castle doctrine with the motorist protection act, believe the "one drop" rule, and so on.

I think if they'd bump the requirement up to a mandatory 15 hours, or drop them down to 8 this problem would stop because they would either be forced to do two day classes, or there would be enough time at the end of normal business hours to take care of the extra stuff. With 10 hours everyone still wants a one day class, but who wants to stay in a classroom for 13 hours in one day...students or instructors? None, apparently.

boomerang wrote: If they teach the things they're supposed to teach about the law, nonviolent dispute resolution, etc. there's not a lot of time to teach remedial handgunning in a 10 hour class, but maybe in a 15 hour class. Not that most video junkies teach a full curriculum, but there are lazy and incompetent people in every profession.

50% of the time is waiting for the class to get fingerprinted, do their shooting test, getting forms signed, getting photos, etc.

I'm pretty sure that isn't what was intended with the 10 hour requirement, but that's how it is.

My class was pretty terrible, as well. Out of 10 hours we spent probably 4 waiting for people to shoot, waiting for people to get printed, waiting for people to get photos, slowly filling out application paperwork, etc. The rest of the time was mostly the instructor trying to impress people with lame stories and silly tactical drawing, and watching him browse the internet for videos and what not. He also gave out quite a bit of advice that was terrible for people who are new to guns.

I spent most of the class reading the handbook and was the first one to finish and got a 100%. Some people were really struggling to even finish it.

Thankfully, we have the internet.