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I'll tell you all what did it for me. Reading about this and seeing it on multiple news sources. This tells me all I needed to know about this group of people.

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C-dub

paxton25 wrote:
C-dub wrote:
IlliniBill wrote:
Charles L. Cotton wrote:
As I've said numerous times, I'm far more concerned about who can carry and where we can carry than with how we can carry. If we don't remove off-limits areas, prohibit the posting of unenforceable 30.06 signs on government property, pass campus-carry, exempt church volunteer "security" people from the restriction on being armed, remove successfully completed deferred adjudications and delinquent taxes or child-support from the list of CHL disqualifiers, or limit misdemeanor disqualifiers to only violent crimes, because we spent too much time and political capital on open-carry, I'm going to be a very bitter Second Amendment activist! Those are issues that will have a positive impact on hundreds of thousands if not millions of Texans, while open-carry will be practiced by only a relative handful of people.

Chas.
Agree 100%. I believe these issues are much more important than open carry. I sent my representative a letter yesterday stating that opinion.
And that's the crux of the issue. Any one of those issues outline by Charles will, by far, affect more people than will the passage of any OC bill. If an OC bill does pass there will probably initially be decent numbers of people doing it just because. However, once the novelty settles down and or more places post whatever sign is required to prohibit the activity, it will become a rarity except for those unable to obtain a CHL, if a license to OC is not required. That also seems to be the group with the loudest voices in opposition to any licensed OC bill. Those that are unable for whatever reason to obtain a CHL, IMO.
In my view the constitutional carry bill will better the gun rights of more Texans. Especially compared to a bill that just allows CHL holders to OC. Constitutional Carry is a lot more than just OC. No license required for open or concealed carry, no state registration data base. I honestly don't know why so money people obsess either way about OC, just like the other states with legal OC it will be a relatively rare occurrence. I would like the option so I don't have to switch to my pocket pistol in the summer time and keep wearing my full frame 9 but so much of the drama and back and forth revolves around what very few gun owners would do. If we all agree that constitutional carry is the way to go, for the OC crowd and for the concealed carry crowd why don't we all coalesce around the bill that is best for everyone, IMO that is HB 195.

If those are the only reasons you want OC, then that is the same as most of us here and probably most all CHLs that care at all about OC in the state. It does have the potential to affect more people than those with CHLs, but in reality, it won't because an extremely small number of people will actually OC on a regular basis once the novelty wears off. That's the case in other states that have always had OC and that will be the case here if it passes.

C-dub

IlliniBill wrote:
Charles L. Cotton wrote:
As I've said numerous times, I'm far more concerned about who can carry and where we can carry than with how we can carry. If we don't remove off-limits areas, prohibit the posting of unenforceable 30.06 signs on government property, pass campus-carry, exempt church volunteer "security" people from the restriction on being armed, remove successfully completed deferred adjudications and delinquent taxes or child-support from the list of CHL disqualifiers, or limit misdemeanor disqualifiers to only violent crimes, because we spent too much time and political capital on open-carry, I'm going to be a very bitter Second Amendment activist! Those are issues that will have a positive impact on hundreds of thousands if not millions of Texans, while open-carry will be practiced by only a relative handful of people.

Chas.
Agree 100%. I believe these issues are much more important than open carry. I sent my representative a letter yesterday stating that opinion.

And that's the crux of the issue. Any one of those issues outline by Charles will, by far, affect more people than will the passage of any OC bill. If an OC bill does pass there will probably initially be decent numbers of people doing it just because. However, once the novelty settles down and or more places post whatever sign is required to prohibit the activity, it will become a rarity except for those unable to obtain a CHL, if a license to OC is not required. That also seems to be the group with the loudest voices in opposition to any licensed OC bill. Those that are unable for whatever reason to obtain a CHL, IMO.

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