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by C-dub
Mon Nov 03, 2014 9:33 pm
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Topic: Cedar Hill couple reeling months after shooting intruder
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Re: Cedar Hill couple reeling months after shooting intruder

Charles L. Cotton wrote:
C-dub wrote:The Harold Fish case. Both of these shootings were justifiable, but I'm just curious about the significance of the aggressor being on PCP with regards to the defense of the homeowner for his actions.
First, the homeowner is golden because of the TPC §9.32(b) presumption.

I mentioned the PCP issue only because someone on PCP is not going to comply with instructions, they are aggressive and they have superhuman strength. The homeowner didn't know he was on PCP, but that doesn't matter. PCP helps to explain why the burglar ignored the homeowner's instructions even when facing a gun. It bolsters the homeowner's statement of events.

While not relevant to this case, PCP like a prior history of violence could be an issue for defense, if one of the issues in trial is who was the aggressor. For example, if someone shoots another person on the street claiming it was self-defense, the fact that the attacker has a history of violence would be relevant, thus admissible, under two circumstances. First, if the shooter knew of their violent past, then it would be a factor in his reasonable belief that deadly force was immediately necessary. If the shooter/intended victim didn't know of the history of violence, it would not be admissible at trial to support the shooter's reasonable belief of immediately necessity. However, if one of the issues in trial is "who was the aggressor," then the issue of a past history of violence would be relevant and admissible.

Chas.
I see and that's what I was hoping. Thanks!
by C-dub
Mon Nov 03, 2014 9:05 pm
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Topic: Cedar Hill couple reeling months after shooting intruder
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Re: Cedar Hill couple reeling months after shooting intruder

The Harold Fish case. Both of these shootings were justifiable, but I'm just curious about the significance of the aggressor being on PCP with regards to the defense of the homeowner for his actions.
by C-dub
Mon Nov 03, 2014 8:55 pm
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Topic: Cedar Hill couple reeling months after shooting intruder
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Re: Cedar Hill couple reeling months after shooting intruder

Charles L. Cotton wrote:The shooting was obviously justified, per TPC §9.32(b) and it was morally justified also. The fact that the burglar had PCP on board is also significant. Anyone who has dealt with someone on PCP knows that you aren't going to reason with them and they aren't going to follow instructions even if they are looking down the barrel of a cannon.

Chas.
Charles, I'm sure it's significant from the frame of mind of the criminal, but wouldn't it be irrelevant from the standpoint of the homeowner since, while they may suspect something, they wouldn't really have any way of knowing that the person was hopped up on drugs or anything else?

I'm wondering about this from something else I think I remember from a jogger or hiker shooting someone else in self defense and having to defend themselves in court. They argued that the attacker had just killed someone else and came after them, but the defense argued that the shooter didn't have any way of knowing the prior record or act of the person they shot. Sketchy details, sorry. I'll see if I can find the incident I'm referring to.

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