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gmckinl wrote:

C-dub wrote:I've been seeing a bunch of 30-06 150gr. ammo on the shelves lately. Will any 150gr. be safe in an M1?

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The Annoyed Man wrote:

C-dub wrote:

The Annoyed Man wrote:

C-dub wrote:I've been seeing a bunch of 30-06 150gr. ammo on the shelves lately. Will any 150gr. be safe in an M1?

Absolutely yes, as long as the charge isn't too heavy. But the 3 grain difference between a 147 grain and a 150 grain pill is negligible. I would guess that any 150 grain load that produces the same muzzle velocity in the same length barrel with the same twist rate as a Garand that is produced by a 147 grain bullet in a Garand is probably safe for a Garand. I doubt that the 3 grain difference in weight would make that much difference in the pressure.

Thanks TAM. I guess I still have a bunch of reading to do on this rifle.

Well I'm certainly no expert on it. I used to own an M1A, and the mechanisms are for all practical purposes identical. With the M1A, too high pressures can damage the gun, and the damage usually centers around bending the operating rod. I've heard of things like shearing off the bolt lugs, but I can't imagine what kind of abuse you'd have to give it to do that. They are, after all, battle rifles and they are supposed to be rugged and reliable. The two things that will cause high pressures are really hot loads, and really heavy bullets. I don't know if high pressures can adversely effect the timing of the ignition/ejection/reloading cycle or not, but it is something to consider, as might be any damaging changes to headspacing and stuff like that. G26ster is a fountain of knowledge about Garands, and I know there are others on this board as well.

The Annoyed Man wrote:

C-dub wrote:I've been seeing a bunch of 30-06 150gr. ammo on the shelves lately. Will any 150gr. be safe in an M1?

Absolutely yes, as long as the charge isn't too heavy. But the 3 grain difference between a 147 grain and a 150 grain pill is negligible. I would guess that any 150 grain load that produces the same muzzle velocity in the same length barrel with the same twist rate as a Garand that is produced by a 147 grain bullet in a Garand is probably safe for a Garand. I doubt that the 3 grain difference in weight would make that much difference in the pressure.

Hamourkiller wrote:

C-dub wrote:

Hamourkiller wrote:I think you enjoy will the rifle and shooting the normal Winchester and Remington 150 gr Factory loads will not harm the beast.

Hold on a second. Are you talking about modern ammunition? Does anyone concur with this?

If you pull the factory ammo bullet and weigh the powder, you will know if it will work in the M1 Garand. 52 grs or less should be good to go. Powder charge weight is what gets the op rod. A slow burn powder takes large amounts to get good velocity. Medium burn rates take around 50 grs to get good velocity. So if the factory load has the 50 to 52 gr charge it will work good with the Garand.

If you faint at the prospect that the op rod will bend and jump out and beat you up, well get an adjustable gas screw and tame the beast.

Some people would have the M1 loaded down to 300 savage levels for fear of the op rod, I just keep my powders around 50 grs and my bullets at 150 to 168 and target 2700 fps for the 168 and 2800 for the 150 gr bullets.

Have fun and enjoy the rifle.

9mmfan wrote:Just to add more food for thought on a ton of other information, you might want to read up on the Korean surplus ammo. I am by no means an expert, but the ammo bearing the "KA" headstamp is all corrosively primed, as is my understanding. If'n it is headstamped PS, it should not be corrosive, but there are certain lots that some folks have reported some problems. I just glanced at that, as the only Korean M2 that I bought was found to have the dreaded "KA". This was not something I wanted to deal with, so's I gave the bandoliers worth to a buddy that didn't care one way or the other. He was kind enough to give me a cartridge belt and some other miscellany when I got my rifle, so I thought it was the fair thing to do. I ramble.

Just to wrap up, remember
KA=Korrosive Ammo
PS=Probably Safe (If you google "PS Korean M2 problems, you will undoubtedly find the exhaustive list of lot numbers. I think it was over to the CMP forums that I saw it.)

+1 on the current (hopefully) Greek surplus from the CMP. $98 plus shipping ('round $11, if I am remembering correctly), for 200 rounds, give or take, shipped in an ammo can.

Hamourkiller wrote:I think you enjoy will the rifle and shooting the normal Winchester and Remington 150 gr Factory loads will not harm the beast.

olafpfj wrote:Was at the FW cabelas today and there were cans of M1 Garand ball in abundance. Around $400 for 500 rds.

gmckinl wrote:

C-dub wrote:

Jeff B. wrote:

texasmusic wrote:Remember guys, not to use commercial ammo too much in our Garands. Hard on the operating system from what I hear so I stick to the surplus stuff.

True... The ammo designed for he M1 runs at a lower pressure than the common hunting ammo of today.

You can buy and put in or have an adjustable gas plug installed.

Cabela's does sell some of the "garand" 30.06 in bulk too. The CMP stuff is a very good buy!

Jeff B.

Whoa whoa whoa! This is the first I've heard of this, but granted, I'm new to M1's.

I've only put 40 rounds through it so far. All Remington 150 grain I think. What kind of problems are we talking about here?

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Jeff B. wrote:

texasmusic wrote:Remember guys, not to use commercial ammo too much in our Garands. Hard on the operating system from what I hear so I stick to the surplus stuff.

True... The ammo designed for he M1 runs at a lower pressure than the common hunting ammo of today.

You can buy and put in or have an adjustable gas plug installed.

Cabela's does sell some of the "garand" 30.06 in bulk too. The CMP stuff is a very good buy!

Jeff B.

77346 wrote: I have 30-06 ammo... but 200 @ $98 + S&H for Greek surplus sounds like a heck of a deal... Academy wanted $35 for 20 rnds of Hornady (the hunting stuff)... I have enough 30-06 but I can always use a bit more!

77346 wrote:I finally decided to pull the trigger on a M1 Garand and mailed the ordering form and additional documents to CMP today. Looks like a 2-3 month wait at the moment and they only have H&R's on field and service grades.

Depending on a. if I get one, and b. how it looks and its history, I may get it restored at James River Armory

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Dadtodabone wrote:Congratulations on the Garand!

I guess now I'll have to restore my Dad's 1903 that he trashed the original stock because it was too heavy and put a sporterized one on.

A303 drop in. http://www.e-sarcoinc.com/wwispringfiel ... stock.aspx" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; they are out of stock now, I'd shoot 'em an email to get on a waiting list or check on drill rifle stocks you could refinish