Search found 4 matches

by C-dub
Sun Jun 03, 2012 1:51 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: CHL-16 clarification for 30.06 sign
Replies: 76
Views: 8290

Re: CHL-16 clarification for 30.06 sign

wgoforth wrote:
recaffeination wrote:
Maxwell wrote:Fair enough on the clarifications but I certainly do not want to be a test case on any BAC with regard to my CHL.
I don't want to be a test case that:
Churches are not off limits unless they post a sign.
Gun shows on government property are not of limits.
The wind blowing up my shirt tails is not intentional failure to conceal.
A generic no guns sign is not 30.06 notice.
The parking lot bill means anything.
Etc.

However, concealed is concealed, so I'm not worried.
Really? I'd love to be a test case on the church aspect, as that one is spelled out so clearly, I'd like to receive a lawsuit payout...
Good afternoon W. I'm not sure what you're asking about here. He clearly and correctly states that churches are not off limits unless they post a sign and by that I hope he means a proper 30.06 sign.

He's also correct about gun shows on government property, but as we all know they are all posted and have LEOs onsite checking. Some even have metal detectors. I don't want to nor can I afford to be a test case for one of those. They say it's because they've had too many problems with ND's by CHLs and others. I don't think that is a valid exception to the law.
by C-dub
Sun Jun 03, 2012 7:57 am
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: CHL-16 clarification for 30.06 sign
Replies: 76
Views: 8290

Re: CHL-16 clarification for 30.06 sign

TexasGal wrote:The DPS is pro CHL.
They are not trying to ignore the law. They are teaching instructors to caution students to consider carefully when they carry past signs and when they choose to have any alcohol. They are doing this for one reason ONLY. They want us and the CHL program to stay out of trouble. They don't want people to be arrested (which will most likely remain on your record). They don't want them to have to pay lots of money to lawyers, and they especially don't want CHL's on the evening news. This is unfortunately because some cities and areas of Texas are anti-chl. Some are not. The media overwhelmingly is.

We were told to be aware of which way sentiment is running in our cities so we can help our students make smart choices when carrying. As for the alcohol, the law does seem to allow a minor consumption that would be imperceptible to an officer conducting a sobriety test. But, the problem pointed out by the DPS during the instructor training was if you find yourself in a shooting, you will be tested for alcohol. The other side's lawyers will have a field day if you test positive for any amount. It can be argued that you were impaired and that you have a disregard for the gravity of carrying a gun. I fail to see why this is viewed by so many as some plot by the DPS to do away with our rights. It was obvious at the Instructor's conference in Houston some weeks back, that the DPS is excited about plans to get the laws loosened in some areas in the coming legislative session and tightened in others to our benefit. For instance, they hope to get the law on the 30.06 sign clarified to add a penalty when it is posted improperly. Does that sound like they don't care? They simply don't want bad press to be used against our interests in Austin or for any of us to get into trouble we could have avoided. :tiphat:
This is definitely a possibility, but it doesn't sound like it is being presented this way. Especially when the DPS attorney tells people that a gunbuster sign is good enough notice. It sounds like many cities that think they can post 30.06 signs on city property when they probably are fully aware that those signs are unenforceable, but rely on our law abiding nature to obey it rather than challenge it and end up in court if it actually got that far. It is also much like my own company not changing their weapons policy regarding their parking lot because their is no penalty for them if they don't. They're either in a wait and see mode, they absolutely don't care about the law, or they're completely ignorant about the law. I highly doubt the later because I talked with one of the VP's, who also has his CHL, and he said they are not going to change the policy.
by C-dub
Sat Jun 02, 2012 10:16 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: CHL-16 clarification for 30.06 sign
Replies: 76
Views: 8290

Re: CHL-16 clarification for 30.06 sign

wgoforth wrote:
C-dub wrote:
wgoforth wrote: Always hate it when things are left open to individual interpretation and discretion. Get in trouble with one and another tells you it's fine. Let us know what you hear! Keep in mind, some was not just what was said in class, but the questions that came up during break which of course will vary.
There's a lot of irony in there. Sometimes we don't like it when a judge or whoever doesn't have any room for discretion because of the law and sometimes, in cases like this, we don't like it because there is. Funny isn't it?
"Discretion" is not the same as "getting in trouble" when no crime has been committed... Discretion is an officer choosing to write or not write a ticket because you went 5 miles over speed limit. Saying you "might get in trouble carrying past a generic no-gun sign" isn't discretion, it is creating a law where there is none...
Ya got me there, but I was thinking about the alcohol thing.
by C-dub
Sat Jun 02, 2012 5:37 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: CHL-16 clarification for 30.06 sign
Replies: 76
Views: 8290

Re: CHL-16 clarification for 30.06 sign

wgoforth wrote: Always hate it when things are left open to individual interpretation and discretion. Get in trouble with one and another tells you it's fine. Let us know what you hear! Keep in mind, some was not just what was said in class, but the questions that came up during break which of course will vary.
There's a lot of irony in there. Sometimes we don't like it when a judge or whoever doesn't have any room for discretion because of the law and sometimes, in cases like this, we don't like it because there is. Funny isn't it?

Return to “CHL-16 clarification for 30.06 sign”