I would like to point out the following.
From the Criminal Justice department Facuity pages of North Carolina Weslayan College With references at the bottom of the page.
According to them, What I propose is exactly the reason Police department have a Pass/Fail System and 50% of agencies do this. This is quite contrary to the contentions you have made.
http://faculty.ncwc.edu/toconnor/205/205lect02a.htm
To pass or graduate from a PPC course, about half (50%) of departments rely strictly upon a point system. You either score in the required proficiency range for the point totals on your type of target, OR you are suspended, dismissed, or relieved from normal duty after two or three chances at the course of fire (dismissal usually occurs only 30% of the time, and then only for "chronic" failure to requalify, and then often involving a disability, or courtesy, dismissal). Under the point-score system, your point score is recorded year after year in your personnel files. The other half (50%) of departments use a pass-fail system, where the instructor (or referee) only adds the points up in their head, and records whether or not the officer passed or failed the course. The purpose of the pass-fail system is to deny attorneys access to a record of point scores if and when an officer is charged with a civil action. Pass-fail systems (and other civil liability concerns) have had the effect of eroding the model of police professionalism, in regards to gunfighting skills, first charted out by the NRA and supported by many other groups over the years.
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It would seem you have had this same conversation with others as well on a LEO forum. it is stated rather clearly that Liability is an issue AND YOU AGREE WITH THEM. As a matter of fact the person who posts right after you says it NORMAL for the officers training record and scores, he goes on to say how the system WORKS for liability reasons. Wich is in DISAGREEMENT with your statments here. You argument there is the same as here though, you can defend it after the fact. I wish to examin what would seem like a far more prudent couse of action and that is reduce such a risk before it happens.
Again, It does not support the contentions you have made.
http://forums.officer.com/forums/printt ... hp?t=18207
For liability purposes, Pass/Fail scoring is becoming the norm. When the use of force is questioned, it is normal for the training records of the officer to come into play, and needless to say, this includes officer involved shootings.
The problem, however, is that on paper, it makes it look as if all of the officers are even in ability. When I first started, % scores were common, and I was always PROUD to be able to consistently score 100%. However, there are always those officers who will struggle to meet the minimum (75% in our case). I've seen officers who's firearm skills were POOR. Unfortunately, with a pass or fail system, the officer who struggles to pass the qualification with a minimum score (and needs several attempts to pass it), is EQUAL to the officer who passes it consistently with 99-100%.
When we picked our competition team, we would take the top shooters in the department and place them on the pistol team. Under a pass/fail system, there are no top shooters, everyone is equal!!!! It used to be that exceptional ability on the range was recognized, but under the pass/fail system, you can't do that. Pass/Fail works for liability reasons, but other than that, I think it sucks.
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And that is from a quick google search nothing more. You asked for something with greater subtance. Besides all I have posted about why it is something to consider, Here you go. I have not seen anything to support your veiw point other than what you think about it and you keep demanding of me more and more "proof" That I keep providing.
Lets Review what we know.
Law Enforcment says they use the Pass/Fail system to reduce liability
We know records can be subpoenad and you must disclose them
While you and I can make unsubstabtiated claims about who we know and what they say, Information on the net would support that calling an officers record into play is normal and it does reduce liability to have a pass/fail system
It would seem that others are indeed in agreement with my concerns on the issue and the solution
These things all support my concerns about this issue and are against the contentions you have made.
This is not a Jab, nor is it meant to be hostil, It is just an open exchange on an imprtant issue facing us and as a matter of fact it is what you asked me to do.
I don't see where "most" think it is a concern, and I am waiting for proof that it is.