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gigag04 wrote:I agree with most of what you're saying but these statements are not equal. I responded to the first statement. I think you feel like my disagreement comes from your follow up statements - it does not...I only wanted to highlight that a single kick or punch (as specified in your post) does not in and of itself amount to deadly force, in MOST circumstances.

Friends?

Sure. I should have said a A kick or punch from an adult or teen is potential deadly force because you're right saying many semi-consensual fist fights don't result in death or serious bodily injury. However, I was assuming a criminal attack on an innocent, not recreational brawling. I should have been more specific.

If someone attacks me, I can't trust their good will to stop with minor punches or ineffective kicks. They already proved their lack of restraint and lack of concern for my well being by ILLEGALLY ATTACKING ME. There are plenty of deaths from unarmed criminals in the UCR so I have to assume the worst when a CRIMINAL attacks me.

Like I said before, I'll believe it when I see it. Until then we'll have to agree to disagree.

You're saying if someone breaks your nose or stomps on your throat, it's simple assault?

I'll believe it when I see it. Until then we'll have to agree to disagree.

Aggies.

I can find freedom of speech in the constitution but I can't find freedom to assault.

A kick or punch from an adult or teen is deadly force.