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You could probably post your experiment on Youtube and it would get more attention and have higher ratings than anything on ABC, save John Stossel.

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My dad and mom both own guns. Dad has a CHL as I do....if lucky....they go to the range once a year. Everytime I ask one to come out with me to the range "no, I got a lot to do or I want to watch the ballgame, but thanks anyway."
I don't just go to the range anymore...my gun range is my land. I go up there and am able to shoot anyway I want, draw from the holster, change positions, duck behind the engine block and fire at whatever target I want, etc.
It's not hoffners or some police training program....but it's better than nothing. Standing in an alcove shooting at a stationary target in isoceles shooting stance is very limited.
Of course, dad served in the Marine corp from 1964-67....so he's got a bit more than I do...but then that was over 40 years ago.
I think people who don't at least go to the range once a month or every week really miss out on something, not just staying familiar with a gun and somewhat prepared but also...just to have a good time and relax. Anybody who stays so busy that they don't have any time to do that has just got way too much going on in life.

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And just for the sake of argument...a person is STILL has a better chance with a gun even if they haven't been through any combat training than they would without a gun. Combat trainng is just another edge up from the gun.

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Not every CHLer out there or even gun owner out there has ever had combat training. I haven't to be honest. I'd like to at some point (hoffners I'm told is good, I used to go to Top Gun all the time to practice all most every Sunday after church until I got my own land) but I practice all the time in shooting, drawing from the holster, moving while shooting, moving while drawing, ducking, squatting, point shooting, speedloading, loading from a dump pouch or cartridge loops. Most CHLers, like my dad, don't even do this.

I think it is unfortunate that so many gun owners don't get to the range as often as they should. Dad at best gets to shoot once a year (although he is a marine that was in the service from 64-67). BUT, none of this validates ABC's arguments. This doesn't mean that things will go wrong just because teh gun owner hasn't been trained like a cop. It doesn't mean that an innocent person will get shot, it doesn't mean that they will miss shooting the bad guy, it doesn't mean they will die trying.

Dad and I caught the last 20 minutes of it.
Granting all this mumbo jumbo about the "activge shooter" scenario is true.....so what? Would they prefer nobody is armed and everyone get killed rather than taking a chance that 1 or 2 victims MIGHT get shot or that the armed defender MIGHT get killed anyway?
All this business about tunnel vision in a tense situation, that was all bogus...why?...because this scenario was not a tense situation...it was a game and everybody in the back of their mind, if nothing else, knew this.
Another thing about the active shooter thing....in a game everybody is going to try to shoot the bad guy and the bad guy is going to shoot back just like cowboys and indians as children...in a real life shooting...there is going to be more ducking and a cowardly shooter is more likely to get out of the room when he see one or two of his victims is armed.

Dad and I were laughing all through the Omar gun show story. As said in another thread....it's all a bunch of sob stories and scare mongering. "Some of them even brought babies in a stroller" "most people acted like it was just a family outing".....how stupid can anything get. These things were stuff everyone in this forum does at gun shows...it's perfectly normal.
as for Omar, he has a lot of nerve coming over here, or his family coming over here, and telling us how our laws ought to be and that the heritage of liberty that our forefathers since the 1700s bequeathed us is wrong. If I went to or was born in Japan or Iran by Texas parents and launched campaings against their ways...their people would rightfully think me an arrogant American who is presumtuous and rude to say the least.
Where his background is from, third world dungheaps that have absolute gun control laws which let tribal warlords and militants be armed and leave an unarmed populus subject to the sword or gun of Saddams and Osamas et al. Regardless...he needs to go back to sandyland if he doesn't like from sea to shining sea. he certainly has no business telling us what we should be doing. All these sob stories and emotional music showing his sister and family pictures made me want to puke. I have 0 simpathy for people who use the death of somebody else to advance a dishonest political agenda and ABC ought to be ashamed for airing such a thing.
ABC's reporters are so condecending and arrogant with their pompus manner in contrast to John Stossels honest and plain manner. I hope he does a counter story to this.

If guns killed these people...then pens commit forgery, knives commit stabbings, vans commit house robberies, swimming pools and bath tubs commit drownings, cars commit hit and runs.

BTW, there must be something wrong with my guns....they haven't murdered anyone...hmmmm