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Okay, what if one or all of the security guards confronting you is also an off duty peace officer. Some of the secuirty guards at this church are...one of the pastors own body guards (don't yo love that) at least is in plainclothes and is an off duty HPD officer? Can they legally disarm you then? I mean they are acting in the capacity of a security guard not a peace officer, that would suggest "no" on the other hand they are a peace officer whether off duty or not and, to my understanding, even an off duty peace officer can make an arrest, so that would suggest "yes"

I know you don't have to show you chl if approached or asked to see ID but do they have the authority to disarm you if they discover you're carrying after approaching you? Do they have any authority to disarm you short of you going nuts and threatening people? (BTW, I agree with Hossisfree and Will38 say. WHY DON'T y'all start a thread to that effect?)

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Oh I'm not expecting to find a girl at that church who will want to move "out to the sticks" in Louisiana. But still...I have friends there and I value them

This 65 year old gentleman and his wife are currently seeking another church. They have been members of this one for about 12 years.
I have seen and heard from friends who are on staff at this church of other equally absurd treatment of people behind the scenes. Megachurches being what they are, they are not the body of christ and they are not the Kingdom of Heaven's court. They are "seeker churches" that only care about bringing in numbers. (which in my view are just entertainment centers to give emotional people emotional experiences devoid of any depth or understanding who the King of Kings is)

BTW, DeadEye1964, no it's not the church you are thinking of. This church as no 30.06 posting. But it does have a private school on campus which is kind of a gray area in the law (I've ask whether or not carrying to church here would be legal and never got a clear answer because nobody was really sure...even my CHL instructor from renewal course a few months ago admitted he didn't know).

The guards at this church are real, most of them have uniforms and are armed. The one I refer to in this post was, according to a witness next to the 65 year old individual, the "head of security" and was in plain clothes. Some of these guards are actually off duty cops.

This event was "investigated" by somebody on staff (after an inquiry as to where the "investigation" went after 2 weeks). In a nutshell, the investigating staff memberl took third and fourth hand information at face value (the complaint that he was bothering people) and accepted the way the security head handled it and came back and told the 65 year old man "well security said you were bothering people."

Having said all I have said here, some of you are wondering why I still go to this church....well...I ask myself that all the time. The ONLY reason I go there, is because they have a large singles department, I have friends there. The singles department I've found over the years is little more than a meet/meat market but there are still plenty of good folks that have a true desire to find a lifemate and make friends. And even that barely keeps me there. Today just coming back from chuch I've even had thoughts of skipping their flock-that-rocks service (contemporary thing that most people my age go to) and just going to Sunday school and lunch afterwards and join friends for events during the week. Plus, there is no point in my finding another church since I'm going to be moving to Louisiana before the year is out (hopefully)

As for resisting the head security guard for grabbing me, that is a hypothetical situation that I would LIKE to happen considering how ticked I am about what happened to this 65 year old individual. But if I were ever approached it probably wouldn't come to that.

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Oh it was reported. Long story short, they "investigated it" and took the 30 year old security guard's word over the 65 year old man. Then called the 65 year old man up and told him that the security guard said he was bothering people.

I believe this 65 year old man. I have known him 32 years. he does not "bother" people in church. The very most that could have happened was he had his hand in his pocket and flipped his carkeys a little and some nervous busybody church attendee called security "dispatch" and sent Chief Barney to the rescue. In fact, I think that's what the security said, somebody in church called on their cellphone. I have been attending this megachurch for 5 years, it tends attract some...weird attendees who like attention and like to feel important as many megachurches do. BUT, this guard could have handled this a lot more curtious and professional than to talk down to and treat as a troublemaker a 65 year old clean cut man in his sunday best.

Megachurches, are corporations not churches.

If a security guard manhandles you wrongly and without cause for simply refusing to comply with an unlawful command (such as if they tell you to leave when you simply standing there attending church) and you actually succeed in wiping the floor with them restraining them (say you're a navy seal or a green beret...or just tougher than a mall ninja) can you call the police on your cell and have them arrested for assault?

a few weeks ago, someone I know was attending and serving at one of the Megachurches here in Texas one Sunday. They served the offering plate and, once they got to the back of the worship area, saw that there was no place to sit so they decided to stand in the back by the door and listen.
A few minutes later the head of the "church security" opened the door behind him and asked him to step out. This 30 year old punk then proceeded to talk down to this 65 year old individual member of this church and told him that he was "bothering" people and "rattling change in his pocket." This 65 year old individual didn't even understand what the problem was and told him all he was doing was standing there and may have had his hands in his pocket and may have shifted from one leg to the other. This "security guard" continued to talk down and act like this 65 year old man was some kind of trouble maker even inturrupting him to shout outloud into his radio that he was handling "some guy bothering people" The "security guard" wasn't at all polite and he wasn't even interested in what was going on but snapped at this individual that he needed to sit down and not be standing up.

The Security guard walked away and this 65 year old church member, appalled at what just happened, ask one of the other ushers who that was. The other usher, casually said that he was the head of security and "they get nervous when _________(the pastor) is preaching." This 65 year old individual left and has not been back to the church since and probably will never return.

Personally...if it were me (and I'm 32, probably a peer of that security guard) I probably would have told the jerk to buzz off. Even though some of the security guards at this so-called "church" are off duty cops, there is no grounds for arresting somebody for simply standing in church. At the most all they could do is tell you to leave the campus (of a church) but I'm not even sure they can do that.

First of all, "church security" is an oxymoron anyway. The doors of the church are supposed to be open to everyone and if the pastor is so afraid then he shouldn't be a pastor. Second, Mall cops like this need to be chasing shoplifters, not playing barney fife in church.

How much authority do Security guard's have? And if you resist one (wipe the floor with him if he physically grabs you or manhandles you) can you be arrested?