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zero4o3 wrote:

austinrealtor wrote:Wow, that is a disturbing video. Hope those women are arrested and charged with attempted murder or worse.

After seeing the video, does change my initial stock answer a bit. But still not completely convinced that rushing into to "break it up" or pulling a gun in this situation is best solution.

Others tried to break it up, including what appears to be an older woman (in white warm up suit) and they even get into a brief shoving match with her. So this tells me two things: 1. these aggressive women did have capability to be aggressive toward others (not just the girl in blue top) but 2. they weren't so aggressive that they turned toward others with same lethal force as used on the target of their aggression (girl in blue top).

At some point, if cops or other help didn't arrive quickly, perhaps I would have pulled a gun and told them all to leave or I'd shoot. But before doing so you must decide:

1. will any of THEM pull a gun out of a purse and point/shoot at you? this is especially dangerous if you're holding one or two at gunpoint and a third is to your side just outside your field of view.

2. are there other spectators/hangers on who are WITH what appear to be three aggressive women committing the assault? how will THEY react if you pull a gun? Is there some gangbanger boyfriend waiting in the car outside who would see you pull a gun, then charge in with his own guns blazing?

3. if you're going to draw in this situation, do it from a position of strength and cover/concealment from not only the three or so assaultive women, but also from any associates who may enter the fray from other directions

All of the above is just my own thought processes. I have no formal training in such matters (big reason why I would still hesitate to intervene) other than random reading I've done.

Still say this type of situation should be approached with EXTREME caution, but after seeing just how vicious this beat down was I admit I'd have a hard time just "calling 911 and being a good witness" ... morals/ethics would push me very hard to intervene.

I have to say I agree with you on this one, before I watched the video I was going to say that I may have tried to step infront of when one of the other people were trying to pusht hem away also but not do any more just for fear of not knowing what was going on or there being to many people around to judge who was with who.

but in this situation with an empty restraunt, I would have most likely felt more inclined to intervene

suthdj wrote:

glbedd53 wrote:Gotta be careful though. If you don't know what the fight was about or what led up to it and you use that gun, you're really leaving yourself hanging out.

Does it really matter what it was about? The girl was not putting up a fight or much of if any defense this is clearly a beating for whatever reason.

IANAL but from my interpretation of the law, yes it does matter the use of force is not justified to protect some one who provoked a fight or was engaged in criminal activity


PC §9.32. DEADLY FORCE IN DEFENSE OF PERSON
(2) did not provoke the person against whom the force was used;
and
(3) was not otherwise engaged in criminal activity, other than a
Class C misdemeanor that is a violation of a law or ordinance regulating
traffic at the time the force was used.
(c) A person who has a right to be present at the location where the
deadly force is used, who has not provoked the person against whom
the deadly force is used, and who is not engaged in criminal activity at
the time the deadly force is used is not required to retreat before using
deadly force as described by this section.

glbedd53 wrote:Gotta be careful though. If you don't know what the fight was about or what led up to it and you use that gun, you're really leaving yourself hanging out.