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SlowDave wrote:: does a cop have to have any kind of reasonable cause to ask you for your ID, or can they just walk up to any Tom, Dick, or Harry and say, "I'm bored, gimmee your license to read."?

Reasonable articulable suspicion isn't going to be too tough to come up with in a mall. The car keys in your pocket could look like an easily shoplifted item, you could match a vague description of someone they're looking for, etc.

03Lightningrocks wrote:Your not breaking any law and you will not be arrested for carrying a weapon past the type of sign the OP mentioned as long as you have a CHL. I don't care what some ignorant back woods country fool of a cop thinks about it or how many days this same ignorant backwoods hill billy fool spent as a rent a cop. He flat out can't get away with arresting a person for just anything he decides is wrong.

Whether he can ultimately get away with it or not is irrelevant. He can certainly make the arrest, and if the prosecutor is also a backwoods hillbilly fool (quite likely in Brown county) there will be charges. As long as those charges are in effect the CHL will be suspended, and in my case, my guard card almost certainly will too, so I'll be out of work. Sure, I may eventually win a lawsuit against them, but in the meantime, somebody's going to have to feed me and pay my bills for several months. Last I checked, NRA, TSRA, etc don't claim to help with that.

COPS CANNOT TELL IF YOUR ARMED OR NOT! IF THEY CAN. CHECK YOUR METHOD OF CARRY. IT MEANS YOU HAVE CHOSEN A POOR MEANS OF CARRY.

Ah yes, an IWB tuckable is such a terrible means of carry. We're not talking about granny spotting a glock-shaped bulge under a too-tight shirt, we're talking about people trained to recognize things like 5.11, Galco, and Coronado products, the belt clips of an IWB holster, and other stuff that simply isn't going to be hidden short of wearing a trenchcoat all year. If they even suspect that you're carrying, all they have to do is ask for ID, and you're busted.

03Lightningrocks wrote:Wow...with all due respect, I could not possibly disagree more. I am not sure what to say about the comment concerning not getting a CHL. Wow seems appropriate.

Well, you're the one claiming the cops will never know you have it, so what's the risk?

blue wrote:PLEASE FOLKS!!! CONSIDER that Perhaps, just perhaps, the malls and stores really do know the law and are posting noncompliant signs ON PURPOSE to make the Nervous Nellys happy, while knowing we are smart enough to keep our mouths shut and 'Carry On'!

Then it won't hurt a thing to talk to them about it.

CONCEALED MEANS CONCEALED!

Arrested means arrested. Charged means charged. Suspended until dismissal of the charges means suspended until dismissal of the charges.

If your gun is so well concealed that a cop will never spot it, why'd you waste the money on the license, anyway?

03Lightningrocks wrote:That is not the same as a cop thinking you might have a gun because you walked with a limp and have a fanny pack.

If that cop then decides to ask for ID while you're wandering around the mall, you're busted. If he's of the same opinion as the trooper mentioned earlier, you're going for a ride. I'm going to have to agree with the OP on this one: make them post so we're properly notified, or have them get rid of the rule so we don't have to wait until the judge has time to deal with it.

You might also want to consider GC 411.187(a)(1) and (c)(4) as modified by HB 2730 this year: (TLO hasn't been updated to reflect this yet, so you'll have to dig through the bill if you want to confirm the current wording.)

(a) The department shall suspend a license under this section if the license holder:
(1) is charged with the commission of a Class A or Class B misdemeanor or equivalent offense, or of an offense under Section 42.01, Penal Code, or equivalent offense, or of a felony under an information or indictment;

(c) The department shall suspend a license under this section:
(4) until dismissal of the charges, if the person's license is subject to suspension for the reason listed in Subsection (a)(1);

So you're not just going to be wasting money defending yourself against the ridiculous charge, you're going to be giving up your license until it's dismissed. Therein lies the biggest problem with being a test case for many of the bad or questionable postings.