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sugar land dave wrote:

A-R wrote:

RottenApple wrote:Was it 30.06 or otherwise prohibited by law (such as a school)? If not, then unless they ORALLY tell you or hand you a card/piece of paper with the 30.06 wording on it, their policies mean nothing.

There, I fixed it for you

From the English dictionary:

verbal
▶adjective

* 1 relating to or in the form of words.

* 2 spoken rather than written; oral.

* 3 Grammar relating to or derived from a verb.

I see your dictionary citation and raise you with a citation from Texas Penal Code 30.06 (with emphasis added, of course):

(b) For purposes of this section, a person receives notice if the owner of the property or someone with apparent authority to act for the owner provides notice to the person by oral or written communication.

Also definition from http://www.dictionary.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; of BOTH words:

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ver·bal
   /ˈvɜrbəl/ Show Spelled[vur-buhl] Show IPA
–adjective
1.
of or pertaining to words: verbal ability.
2.
consisting of or in the form of words: verbal imagery.
3.
expressed in spoken words; oral rather than written: verbal communication; verbal agreement.

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o·ral
   /ˈɔrəl, ˈoʊr-/ Show Spelled[awr-uhl, ohr-] Show IPA
–adjective
1.
uttered by the mouth; spoken: oral testimony.
2.
of, using, or transmitted by speech: oral methods of language teaching; oral traditions.
3.
of, pertaining to, or involving the mouth: the oral cavity.

Neither word is "wrong" in most contexts. "Oral communication" is a more exact description of "spoken by mouth" than "verbal communication", which could mean merely communicating with words rather than symbols OR could refer to the more modern meaning similar to "oral communication"

But above and beyond us word Nazis' (I'm a former copy editor) enjoyment of splitting hairs over the meanings of words, there is the more important LEGAL matter - the Legislature in its infinite wisdom deemed the word "oral" to more appropriately convey their intended meaning.

Does this hair splitting matter from a LEGAL viewpoint? I dunno, I'm not a lawyer

RottenApple wrote:Was it 30.06 or otherwise prohibited by law (such as a school)? If not, then unless they ORALLY tell you or hand you a card/piece of paper with the 30.06 wording on it, their policies mean nothing.

There, I fixed it for you

RottenApple wrote:More than likely they were referring to CHL students having loaded firearms with them. That's not all that uncommon. I took my CHL class with Daniel (HotLeadSolutions on the forum) and his classroom is at Bass Pro Shop in Garland. BPS doesn't allow loaded firearms but they aren't 30.06 posted. So if you aren't a CHL you need to unload your firearm when going in. BPS will allow you to unload right there at the counter and will secure your firearm with a trigger lock. But if you have a CHL, carry away!

I agree this is a likely scenario - but then why the "no CONCEALED handguns" sign? Why just say "no loaded firearms in class" on the sign?

What I tell my classes is NO AMMUNITION and NO loaded guns in the classroom UNLESS you already have a valid CHL (either you're a renewal, you have a valid CHL from another state recognized by Texas, and/or you're just sitting in class with a spouse or whatever). Then - if you DO have a valid CHL - you must keep all loaded guns concealed on your person at all times. Pull it out of your holster or even expose it for any reason other than a justified use of deadly force and you will be leaving my class.

I use toy guns and "blue guns" and ASP training guns etc for portions of the class. But I also use a few real guns with inert yellow plastic barrels and/or real barrels with inert orange plastic dummy "ammo". This is one big reason why I want all real ammunition outside the classroom - don't want someone fumbling around and inserting a live round into their gun or one of mine during class.

But I do make it clear that I am not prohibiting valid CHL as long as they keep it concealed.