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by A-R
Wed Oct 13, 2010 11:08 am
Forum: The Crime Blotter
Topic: NC: Robber dope shot by convenience store customer
Replies: 14
Views: 1832

Re: NC: Robber dope shot by convenience store customer

Purplehood wrote:
My hope is for a group of 2-3 shots (pie plate size) that STOP the BG. I don't know why I would try for the shot placement described above unless I was forced to by circumstance (which he may have been).
I agree. But I'm guessing the circumstances were "Oh crap!!!" and a quick volley of three shots as fast as he could pull the trigger. If he was sitting further down the counter near the register, the total distance couldn't be more than 25 feet tops I would think. And perhaps he was still sitting when he fired (thus a lower angle on the bad guy?) .... I dunno, a lot of ifs .... just goes to show that you cannot expect great shot placement in a reactive scenario unless you have trained often to very quickly put shots COM in heightened anxiety situations (and even then it's not a sure thing). I think the guy did well to land all three shots on the bad guy.

In some ways, it's best for all involved that the bad guy bolted after being shot. Had he gone down, but was still conscious/moving and still had access to his FTF pistol .... might've had another potential Oklahoma pharmacist scenario (questions about at what point is the threat truly "stopped")

EDITED TO ADD: Seamus was posting as I was posting - I agree with his possible scenario too except I'm not sure about the "behind the robber" part (thought the story said shooter was also behind counter, just further down? but would have to go re-read)
by A-R
Wed Oct 13, 2010 10:54 am
Forum: The Crime Blotter
Topic: NC: Robber dope shot by convenience store customer
Replies: 14
Views: 1832

Re: NC: Robber dope shot by convenience store customer

from what I can make out reading between the lines, seems the convenience store husband shot low - guy was hit in arm, leg, and hip. Good guy was probably to the bad guy's side when he fired the shots. I kinda doubt any "standard" self-defense pistol round (.380, 9mm, .40, .45) would have put him immediately on the ground with that shot placement.

After watching two small deer bolt and run 25-30 yards following perfect behind-the-shoulder shots at 75 yards from a .270 rifle last year on my first and so far only hunt, I've developed a new appreciation for a living creature's ability to withstand the initial shock of even a very lethal rifle bullet wound. Quickly dropped the delusion of the "one-shot stop" - so popular in Hollywood mythology - from my mindset. At 100 yards, a .270 packs 2200+ foot pounds of energy. That's more than twice the ballistic energy of the vaunted .45 ACP 200-grain hollow point at point blank range from a 5-inch barrel.
by A-R
Wed Oct 13, 2010 9:45 am
Forum: The Crime Blotter
Topic: NC: Robber dope shot by convenience store customer
Replies: 14
Views: 1832

Re: NC: Robber dope shot by convenience store customer

Great column in same paper/web site about this and other similar local incidents of citizen self-defense

http://www.mtairynews.com/view/full_sto ... If-you-don" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;’t-want-to-get-shot--quit-robbing-people?

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