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tacticool wrote:

austinrealtor wrote:You're talking about two different levels of authority. "They" who allow me to wear certain clothes, I think if I'm understanding you correctly, is an employer, so yeah as long as it's legal it's none of their business what I wear under my approved work attire.

It seems you're saying both 30.06 and company policy don't apply in buildings either, as long as the gun is concealed under your clothing. I disagree but don't have the time to debate this further, so we'll have to agree to disagree.

Next time, try reading my entire post before you respond ....

austinrealtor wrote:You're talking about two different levels of authority. "They" who allow me to wear certain clothes, I think if I'm understanding you correctly, is an employer, so yeah as long as it's legal it's none of their business what I wear under my approved work attire. ... Obviously, if they post a property PC 30.06 then by law that means I cannot wear a gun under my clothing.

But I think both of our intended points have diverged to the point of incoherence from a debating standpoint. We probably believe more "alike" than we realize, but we're talking past each other. So yeah, I'm gonna drop it now too. In a nutshell, I don't think an employer should be allowed to prohibit me from carrying unless they do so with a proper 30.06 notification. But that debate quickly becomes more of an employment law discussion than a CHL discussion. So at this point, I digress.

tacticool wrote:

austinrealtor wrote:This is all very simple to me. My car, my rules. If you allow me to park my car on your property, then you allow anything I have in my car at the time.

Permission to park is not unconditional. You may have permission to park but your vehicle may be towed, and you may face disciplinary action, if you park in a spot reserved for executives or handicapped individuals, or violate other parking rules.

Your examples are external infractions having nothing whatsoever to do with what legal items I choose to keep inside my vehicle.

tacticool wrote:Extending your argument, 30.06 and 46.03 and 46.035 would be generally invalid, because if they allow you to wear clothes they must allow anything you have under your clothes at the time. That's obviously a flawed argument, and would invalidate a Terry Stop because what's under the suspect's clothes is none of their business.

You're talking about two different levels of authority. "They" who allow me to wear certain clothes, I think if I'm understanding you correctly, is an employer, so yeah as long as it's legal it's none of their business what I wear under my approved work attire. Trying to avoid violating the 9-year-old rule here, but if someone chooses to wear S&M leather gear under their business suit or, like J. Edgar Hoover, women's underwear under their business suit, that's none of the company's business either - as long as it stays private and hidden from view. Obviously, if they post a property PC 30.06 then by law that means I cannot wear a gun under my clothing. But that's not really what I was talking about in my original post. I was talking more specifically about company's banning employees from keep a gun legally in their car while they're at work. To me, telling an employee they can't keep something legal in their car at work is just as egregious as a company telling an employee they can't keep something legal at home. It's none of the company's business.

As for the Terry Stop thing, that's a different level of authority - namely law enforcement.

This is all very simple to me. My car, my rules. If you allow me to park my car on your property, then you allow anything I have in my car at the time. Simple. Your rights as property owner of a parking lot or garage end where my rights as a property owner of a vehicle begin. As long as I leave it in my car, then it's none of your business.

In other words, extend the same rights we enjoy in our homes to our cars.

Which brings me to a scary thought ...

If a company can tell you what you will or will not have in your personal vehicle while on "company time", then what's to stop a company from saying you can't carry a gun while working on behalf of the company within your own home? Maybe you're using a company-provided notebook computer or cell phone to conduct company business from your home? Maybe you're a telecommuter? You're effectively working on "company time" - can they tell you that you can't have a gun near you while you're working in your own home on company time?

All goes back to my very simple solution above ... my car, my rules. Same applies to the home - my home, my rules. A company requiring me (or allowing me) to perform company work using my personal property (my home, my car) does not give the company superiority over my rights to use my personal property as I see fit.