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by A-R
Mon Jul 15, 2013 2:17 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: What to do after use of concealed handgun
Replies: 69
Views: 20826

Re: What to do after use of concealed handgun

RoyGBiv wrote:
A-R wrote:
RoyGBiv wrote:Don't forget that SCOTUS recently changed the interpretation of the Constitution.
http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/co ... ain-silent" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I'm confused, if he had not been arrested yet and came in voluntarily - what's the problem? The police don't even have to "read him his rights" until is being arrested. Anything he voluntarily says or doesn't say before arrest is fair game (which is why lawyers generally want you to shut your mouth until they get there).
Here's the rub.... You start talking to police... giving them details... then they ask you a question, the answer to which you perceive could be damaging to you... so you decide not to answer the question....

Because you were talking previously, your silence or refusal to answer a potentially damaging question can be used as evidence against you.... Not what you said, but just the fact that you were talking, then refused to answer the hard question..

Example:
You: "Officer, this guy stuck a knife at my throat and told me he was going to kill me if I didn't hand over my wallet, so I shot him"
Officer: "Did you shoot him because he was black?"
You: ??
It's an incredibly fine line, I agree. But it's my understanding that if you're not charged then 5A doesn't apply because you're not compelled to say a word.

Relevant text of 5A: "nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself"

Witnesses are compelled to give testimony under oath, usually in court
Giving a voluntary statement to police is not the same thing

I understand not liking the SCOTUS finding, but not sure I see it violating 5A
by A-R
Mon Jul 15, 2013 10:30 am
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: What to do after use of concealed handgun
Replies: 69
Views: 20826

Re: What to do after use of concealed handgun

RoyGBiv wrote:Don't forget that SCOTUS recently changed the interpretation of the Constitution.
http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/co ... ain-silent" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I'm confused, if he had not been arrested yet and came in voluntarily - what's the problem? The police don't even have to "read him his rights" until is being arrested. Anything he voluntarily says or doesn't say before arrest is fair game (which is why lawyers generally want you to shut your mouth until they get there).

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