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by lrb111
Fri Nov 26, 2010 10:19 pm
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: TX rep to author OC
Replies: 156
Views: 31633

Re: TX rep to author OC

terryg wrote:progress on campus carry and parking lot language that .... benefit a much larger portion of the carrying public,......

And campus carry has the potential to derive much longer term benefits. Having young minds gaining knowledge and acceptance of the safe exercise of the RKBA right on the bastions of the liberal propaganda institutions could be huge for 2A reforms 10 to 20 years down the road.
Your point still stands, though. Parking lot, and campus carry both have immediate perceived societal gains. Those gains of course a long way in deflatingg Brady Bunch style anti-self-defense claims.
I also, heartily agree about the long term affects of campus carry. As a keystone event, I would prefer campus carry over employer parking lots if I had to choose which event comes first, in a timeline. With campus carry first, employee parking is a given down the line.
by lrb111
Wed Nov 24, 2010 9:13 am
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: TX rep to author OC
Replies: 156
Views: 31633

Re: TX rep to author OC

mr surveyor wrote:I don't know if my opinions are read much here, or just skipped over, but I'm going to try to express an opinion on this subject again, with a new challenge for those of you that think open carry will have no effect on concealed carry as we now know it.

Go to 10 businesses with the generic gunbusters sign popsted in your home town (not mine, we don't have 30.06 signs around that I know of) and ask to speak to the owner or general manager. Not people you already know, but total strangers. Tell them you are doing a simple public opinion poll regarding passage of an open carry law in Texas and ask if they would be against their patrons openly carrying handguns in their place of business. Then report back on the number of them that point to the gunbuster sign they have hanging up with the response they don't allow guns in their shop anyway. You then have the option of biting your tongue and hoping they don't find out that they are not giving effective notice to all the chl holders that may carry past their threshold every day, or spill the beans and inform them of the intricascies of proper notice under 30.06. You can bet that when the first open carried handgun shows up in their shop, or their friend's shop down the road, they will all be posting the proper signage to prohibit all licensed carry. I own and operate a small business, and know several of the business owners in town. Many of those folks that I personally know probably have absolutely no idea what the current "proper signage" is, and think "no guns means NO guns. Wait until something wakes them up.

As long as we still have a state that respects private property rights (generally speaking), business owners will have the right to refuse service under legal guidelines.

surv
:iagree: in addition, a sign is not required to stop a CHL. The scenario that is all too easy is for a clerk at the store (only one working) to tell an open carrying CHL holder "You can't wear that in here."
That is "effective notice", and the CHL holder is done carrying in that store.

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