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HighVelocity wrote:Those 22's did not expand going through the metal sign. They simply stretched the metal when passing through.

Hollow points don't expand when they meet resistance? That's going to surprise some folks.

KBCraig wrote:

lrb111 wrote:I'll go down to a .22, but won't carry a .25.

The .22 has more energy and is far more effective than the .25 ACP. For ultra-deep concealment, the NAA Black Widow in .22LR or WMR would be acceptable, if only in the "when you can't carry a gun" category.

I knew a fellow, moons ago, that tried suicide by placing a .25 against his right temple. His recovery went from paralyzed, to partial paralysis to walking with a cane, to near complete recovery.
I've never forgotten that the doctor told him if it had been a .22, he would have succeeded.

Below is the first 8 shots out of my Taurus PT-22, from a couple years ago. The hole below the barrel was the very first shot, the remaining seven were "adjusted". Ten yards, off hand with Federal hollow points. The .38SWC is for reference on the expansion of the bullets going through that steel sign.

I'll go down to a .22, but won't carry a .25.