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Rafe wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2024 11:50 am And then there's this:
H.R.6981 - Preventing Private Paramilitary Activity Act of 2024
https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-con ... /6981/text

Sponsor: Rep. Jamie Raskin [D-MD-8] (Introduced 01/11/2024)
Committees: House - Judiciary
Currently 11 co-sponsors, all bright-blue dems

RASKIN MR> create fake evidence on an impeachment trail and then take a picture of said created evidence and post it on facebook...he is a TOOOOOOLLLLL

Bolton Strid wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2024 2:30 am

Ruark wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 7:21 pm The major factor in Texas ever seceding from the US is the fact that virtually everything that happens in Texas is controlled by the four big liberal Democrat population centers: Austin, San antonio, DFW and Houston. These four big liberal cesspools will always have a death grip on state events, regardless of how the other 99.99% of the state feels.

The major factor in Texas ever seceding from the US is that it would be sheer foolishness.

Every time there is a kerfuffle with the FedMob all kinds of sillies come out of the woodwork yapping "secession!"

I've found that there are several camps who promote such a move - the clueless who have no depth of understanding as to what they are even asking for, what consequences that would entail, and those who DO know and are only interested in positioning themselves to personally, professionally or politically exploit it for their own gain and advantage.

And of those parties I have yet to find any of them who could articulate what the upside would be for Texas isolating itself off as a foreign nation, to be precariously sandwiched between two other less than friendly ones.

Nor has anyone provided a concise prospectus for what the establishment and administration of commerce, civil rights, defense, education, energy, finance, foreign relations policy would even look like. Nothing, absolutely nothing but slogans. In this case a dream without a tangible plan is worse than just being a wish, it's a dangerous mirage.
There are absolutely no guarantees that a just system of governance that could exceed that which was found in the United States would be competently adopted. Factionalization and outside interference would be overwhelming.

Secession means all ties are severed - the US Constitution and the Bill of Rights no longer apply, all regulations & policies whether good or bad are suspended and there can be no more seamless coordination with or assistance from other states to Texas, valuable assistance which at this time comprises about half the US.

It's worthy of note that Governor Abbott's letter of 24 January establishing jurisdiction for action at the border referred to a Constitution as authority for his actions. Not the Texas Constitution, or Texas law, not international law or something from the United Nations. THE Constitution, the US Constitution. Words mean things.

There's a rather ancient concept most commonly phrased as "united we stand, divided we fall", which is true more than ever, since secession has already been long occurring in various jurisdictions who resist if not outright disregard the observation and practice of the US Constitution and established law, going their own ways and making up crap as they do.

The breakup of the United states is already well under way, the question is how far will it go, how bad it will get, and will Texas be the linchpin in holding what is left of Constitutional America together, if not being the factor in a miracle of somehow reestablishing it fully.

i have brainstormed and even did a paper once..
the logistics are over powering and it would never fly, unless half the country came along, but then its still a giant no go, and would be same result in the end.
abbott using the U.S. law of the land to take a stand is the best way. it paves the way as no one can contest it..ITS THE LAW of the country.
biden refuses to follow the same laws... he spews he needs to get a deal so he can fix the situation he created.
hmmm just follow the law we have now...
congress screwed over Reagan with the same bull remember
its fun to muse about doing it, but it would fail fast
this is why abbott and the other states need to poke the feds as much as possible to keep pressure on.

feds respond to money faster than anything.
stopping fed excise taxes to dc is very fast poke in the eye.

Rafe wrote: ↑Sat Jan 27, 2024 5:06 pm

powerboatr wrote: ↑Sat Jan 27, 2024 4:01 pm this states in red control what...90% of fossil fuel and 80% of sea ports

we could do some damage .

And the map looks to be very different than the one hypothesized in the new movie Civil War (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt17279496/? ... il%2520war). I don't know if I'll ever consider watching it. The writer and director is a Londoner who decided to make a movie about a near-future U.S. civil war, and he has Texas and California as the two big soulmate cornerstones of the rebellion. Say what? Can you see Abbott and Newsome getting all BFF?

newsome NO WAY
he is far to gone.. interesting plot twist it would be, add in the sea ports of CA,
and i forget all the military bases, that would be stationed in the new republic, we would need to negotiate new agreements and RENTS



i posted this at the other site when they asked about if military in texas would support abbott or biden
there are so many moving parts and IMO some could be very very dicey to muddle through


as far as active duty in texas
thats a hard one to really define a clear answer

as a military person you are not bound to follow illegal or unlawful orders. for me i only saw this once in 22 years a full on rebuke of a leader and the xo invoking a power to remove said CO by his unlawful actions. IT WAS UGLY UGLY UGLY not as bad as the submarine movie with denzel. but still a tense period of time and even more tense when we returned to home port.


would the active duty leaders in Texas use the unlawful orders as a reason to deny following secretary Austin's orders to do something to texans , of which i have no idea what that would be? would they refuse to engage? that would be the smart call, but will high ranking officers risk a court martial or worse? good question....my guess is NO, since we are cluttered with diversity appointments (thanks clinton and obama)? not to be mis understood, but we have many appointed to high positions that simply are not there because of their strong merit or skills


can the military take gov abbott? not without some very tense moments and possibly causalities of which neither side would really want . it would become a full on show post haste. i imagine the pile of bodies may be a hard pill for the rest of the world to swallow...biden has no idea and would say somethign stupid about beer or swimming.

would this spark ignite a full on civil war? i like to think not, but hey its 2024, and referencing a comedian, ( in the 80s ladies had a full bush area, the 90s, a landing strip, the 2000s, just bare place, 2024...they got penises ) , i tried to be non banned in my language.
there are hardcore people that are simply ready to start shooting, those are the ones we should be concerned about.

would they(military) try to support federal officers at the park, that is clearly TEXAS property and not the federal boundary zone?
again, that could be a deadly standoff and we could have the proverbial shot heard round the world incident.
would be it become a full on shiiiitt show right after? you bet

would the states supporting texas, really put people i harms way to defend texas? I seriously doubt a major movement of armed forces would occur, as they are all really bound to the U.S. , texas is not. despite the pundits, we can leave the united states, ....would that happen? doubtful, as the texas congress would have a hard time with the lack of backbone members. repubs still majority, but its slim and the speaker is rino. plus the modern day issues to resolve would almost guarantee 95% not to happen.

then would biden to try to recall all of us retired military? hmmm that would be a tough cookie.

but again...we are at a precipice that our country has not wandered into before.
you know mexico had a problem with non mexicans in mexico....it spurred the alamo, san jacinto etc. that was a full on game of massive death.


abbott, could ramp up and do a few more E.O.'s that are within his rights and would send biden into a full on panic


1. stop collecting any and all federal excise taxes on fuels, etc sold in Texas. write it in that we are under invasion and we shall not be paying any losses in future.
i am sure biden would sue, but ok.

2. STOP any and all federal transportation of illegals, criminal aliens, etc on any and all texas property. remember the border zone is claimed as federal....not the streets around these areas. same as entry to airports...we control the ground leading to them. texas also controls FUEL deliveries to all airports, so hmm fed planes no fuel. this would also include all military bases.

3. do not allow any federal agency or officers to use texas roads to get to border, or leave. yes they have a few federal highways but these can be controlled at exits.

4. arrest any and all federal officers at the border not complying with laws of texas or feds regarding migrants and illegal crossings, all illegal crossers go straight to jail, and deport in 48 hrs

biden would respond by stopping all federal highway road work in the state...GOOD or BAD it is what it is.

texas has options, 5k to 8 k ilegal crossing per day to be dispatched across our land is UNACCEPTABLE, as is paying mexico or others

we need stop allowing UN to fund the mass migrations as well through NGOs
texas can audit everyone of them in texas and do whats needed.

this states in red control what...90% of fossil fuel and 80% of sea ports

we could do some damage .

Grayling813 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 25, 2024 3:44 pm Texas Rebellion? by T.L. Davis
https://tldavis.substack.com/p/texas-rebellion

The issues in Texas have much greater consequence than a mere state’s rights issue. It is a question of national legitimacy. Is the Constitution the legal and rightful expression of American government or is America now simply a mass of lawless land? Is the president a dictator who can ignore the laws passed by congress, invite thousands of terrorists and foreign armies in without consequence, or is he bound by the laws as much as the states and the people? When will the people punish him for this lawlessness?

With that as a backdrop, here are Governor Abbott’s words:

“The federal government has broken the compact between the United States and the States. The Executive Branch of the United States has a constitutional duty to enforce federal laws protecting States, including immigration laws on the books right now.”

Abbott's letter:

every-time i have read this today it gives me a sense of pride knowing our state is saying COME AND TAKE IT uncle joe
no more tyranny under the feds

the park the feds want..could be our modern battle of san jacinto
biden should maybe read the history books


this time it wont be santa anna that gets the short end , it will be the feds


as a native texan

i say COME AND TAKE IT uncle joe
if uncle biden federalizes texas guard in order to remove them from abbots control, i think it shall not go over well at ALL

The governor, should also follow through with removing all fed agents from our borders as they are criminals engaged in human trafficking and failure to uphold law