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thanks folks
thats makes me feel like not such a dummy today
i use lots of common sense and politeness at stops, but i also value my rights and tend to lean on that side vice the OK search side.

i dont do unlawful things so there is no need for me to prove that i am innocent. i wont get in a shouting match but the recording will know how i feel and my take.

carlson1 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 06, 2023 3:32 pm If they found something they could always get a warrant and tow your car to a secured location. They could then force it open on a complete search. There would have to be some heavy probable cause I would think. I would think a meth pipe, illegal weapons, a good amount of marijuana, etc…

yes i agree if illegal items were in plain sight and they had PC to do a search
but i dont have such items in my car , house or EVER.
but i have visited areas in our state that police there seem to be overzealous on issues that dont have PC . west tawakoni is one that demands a SSN for your ticket..which they dont have a reason to have as they have your DL etc. so i have road side argued at 3 am and won. a ticket for 2 over is crap.
i see why at 3am they think you could be up to no good, but sometimes its just 3am and your heading home from seeing family ? no curfew?

i never have ever consented to a search roadside. i am not doing illegal activities. but my vault i have coming made me question some issues that might arise if i get pulled over

if leo feels so strong about a search and can go through the legal process of a warrant, at least there has to be more than a 3am stop if you know what i mean

not that i carry stuff thats illegal
but i want to put in a small vault in my center console and my current bed tool box is a lockable with a very heavy duty latch, you would need an angle grinder to get in

my question is a road side stop and mr or ms policeman decides they have PC to order me out of truck and search truck.
after i insist no and get a supervisor.

are you required to unlock those locked compartments without a warrant or ??? my keys are on my person with truck key so unless policeman took the key they would not be able to get in
plus the vault is a number lock so no key..
i cant seem to find a definitive answer about my rights and what i have to open or refuse without real warrant.

maybe i am over thinking sorry