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by troglodyte
Wed Jan 26, 2011 11:01 am
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Palin, Lubbock, and a Gun ban?
Replies: 27
Views: 4227

Re: Palin, Lubbock, and a Gun ban?

sjfcontrol wrote:
troglodyte wrote:If that is the case then the event was posted as an honest mistake. No agenda. No intent to step on the 2A toes. Far from it. Sometimes mitigation is the lesser of the two evils. If you will pardon the phrase.

If you want to go on a witch hunt. It's your time. It won't undo the past and this info has been passed on so it won't happen again, at least from one of the parties involved, whether it was their fault or not.
Trog -- I don't understand your attitude. It seems you know something about who or why this event was posted. How else could you state as a fact that it was "an honest mistake", and by whom was that mistake made?

I don't intend this as a personal attack, and don't really care one way or the other, but you seem to be defending somebody.
What do you know? (And when did you know it?) :lol:
I would ask that you honor my decision to respectfully decline to answer. I do know some details but as stated earlier I don't know enough. If that is considered a defense then so be it.

I have no more to add. What each of you decide to do is your business and that is the way it should be.
by troglodyte
Wed Jan 26, 2011 10:09 am
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Palin, Lubbock, and a Gun ban?
Replies: 27
Views: 4227

Re: Palin, Lubbock, and a Gun ban?

If that is the case then the event was posted as an honest mistake. No agenda. No intent to step on the 2A toes. Far from it. Sometimes mitigation is the lesser of the two evils. If you will pardon the phrase.

If you want to go on a witch hunt. It's your time. It won't undo the past and this info has been passed on so it won't happen again, at least from one of the parties involved, whether it was their fault or not.
by troglodyte
Wed Jan 26, 2011 8:37 am
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Palin, Lubbock, and a Gun ban?
Replies: 27
Views: 4227

Re: Palin, Lubbock, and a Gun ban?

Heath,

I can pretty safely say you are wrong in your accusations. Whether you wish to believe this or not is up to you.
by troglodyte
Wed Jan 26, 2011 3:04 am
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Palin, Lubbock, and a Gun ban?
Replies: 27
Views: 4227

Re: Palin, Lubbock, and a Gun ban?

We do not have all the facts so you may wish to withold your judgement. What Mrs. Palin knew of or demanded is not known. Neither is it known if the school decided to keep out weapons. There may have been other contractual agreements between parties unknown to us. I can say with assurance it was not the City. And no, I am not associated with the City. There may have been other issues that we are unaware of. For all we know it could have been a do-gooder thinking they were doing the correct thing. Yes, it may have been an simple, honest mistake. Kind of takes the fun out of any conspiracy theory, black helicopters, political agendas, and 2A diatribes.

As to the government owned Civic Center it was leased by a private party, a private school in this case. Control of the facility belongs to the private party. They "own" the building for the duration of the contract. They may decide who may or may not come in. My understanding of the mentioned code is that governments cannot post publically owned and accessible properties when open to the public. The Civic Center is not posted when it is open to the public for public use or events. Private events are that, private and those private entities may do as they please within the terms of the contract. The mentioned code concerns Trespass. If a private party is leasing a public building they can Trespass anyone they would like to.

Before we get all bent out of shape on this and start thinking poorly of someone or an institution we need to understand
that it may not be as simple as we may like it.

Without all the facts we simply cannot know. I know what I know buy that doesnt mean I know it all. It would be rash to
make any real judgment without knowing much more. Unfortunately we will probably never know enough to come to any
real conclusion.

I suggest we leave it as a blip on an otherwise wonderful evening. Gov. Plain gave a stirring 45 min. Speech followed by a 30 min. Conversation with the school's superintendent. Spike Dykes served as MC and three lovely young ladies sang God Bless America that would have brought a tear to your eye.

The City didn't post. For all I know Palin didn't even know the sign existed, she certainly didn't come through that door. It may have been considered a school premise. It could have been a simple mistake or misunderstanding. Or maybe there were some other logical reasons. For example, if you were discovered with a firearm at such an event, how far do you think you would get? CHL, legal or not? How would they know you were carrying? Ladies purses were being searched. Coats were being left at the coat check. Bump frisks were performed Who knows what else was going on. Maybe the sign, legal or not, was a discreet way of telling you that if you are found out you are not going to make it into the theater

May not be the answer we like but it just may have given enough heads up to someone.

I didn't like being unarmed but LPD was out in force and I'm sure I only saw the tip of the iceberg. No telling how many undercover LEOs were there. I had to be content with their protection. And I was.

We can Monday morning quarterback this to death. It happened. It may have been right. It may have been wrong. It may have been somewhere in between. Regardless this was a one-time event with a (facedown) sign removed at the end of the night.
by troglodyte
Wed Jan 26, 2011 1:11 am
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Palin, Lubbock, and a Gun ban?
Replies: 27
Views: 4227

Re: Palin, Lubbock, and a Gun ban?

Proper 30.06 sign at north entrance. This was the only entrance used.

Sign was 18" high by 4' long (landscape), 1 inch black block letters on white background, proper language in English and Spanish.

Sign was conspiculously placed on a fluted silver metal easel in east end of vestibule.

Sign blew facedown sometime during the evening when the front settled in...to which you can argue it was not visible...and you would be correct.

As much as I didn't like it and it stuck in my craw I will have to say posting was the prudent and discreet thing to do.

Also, it was a private event. If I did not wish to abide by the rules, I didn't have to go.

Could a firearm still have gotten through? Certainly. And no sign, security check points or LEOs could have stopped it.

The point is, the City had nothing to do with it, the private event was properly posted, security was high, inside and out, and it was a great evening.
by troglodyte
Tue Jan 25, 2011 11:58 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Palin, Lubbock, and a Gun ban?
Replies: 27
Views: 4227

Re: Palin, Lubbock, and a Gun ban?

1st off the article is wrong...and stupid.

Spouting off without facts is foolish.

City had nothing to with it. The Civic Center is not posted. Private events may be.

HIGH security after AZ events. No Secret Service...to my knowledge...

I felt much safer in AND around the Civic Center last night even if I was unarmed, than when I go to the Library next door by myself armed and I wouldn't say that lightly.

Leave it at that.

Edit - And yes it was a wonderful event.

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