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by 74novaman
Fri Mar 09, 2012 7:31 pm
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: 12 States Considering Permitless Carry Laws
Replies: 33
Views: 4759

Re: 12 States Considering Permitless Carry Laws

philip964 wrote:I have learned much more here, on this forum, than I did in my class, so I must thank you all. :txflag:
This much I think almost everyone can agree on (and I actually had a pretty good instructor/class!)

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by 74novaman
Thu Mar 08, 2012 10:16 pm
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: 12 States Considering Permitless Carry Laws
Replies: 33
Views: 4759

Re: 12 States Considering Permitless Carry Laws

terryg wrote:
All of our wonderful statistics showing how 'clean' Texas CHL holders are compared to the general population would not exist if we had permitless carry. That is one of many power arguments in our favor that exist solely because we can be counted as a group and because those who chose to commit crimes, by and large, do not bother with the process and are therefore not in our group.
The nice thing is we can point to the overall crime rate in those states that already have permitless carry. Florida led the way for the CHL laws passed across the nation starting in the 80s.

Now we have examples of states that are, yet again, NOT awash in wild west, blood in the streets that the antis predict EVERY time ANY new pro gun law passes.

Those who look at actual facts can be convinced by other states examples.

Those who look at lies like the brady campaigns stats aren't reachable anyway, and seem to be a rather rabid and tiny minority.

Just to offer a counterpoint. :tiphat:
by 74novaman
Thu Mar 08, 2012 6:02 pm
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: 12 States Considering Permitless Carry Laws
Replies: 33
Views: 4759

Re: 12 States Considering Permitless Carry Laws

gdanaher wrote:In practice, a system in which no permit is required, i.e., no training required, no demonstration of a minimal competency, is unacceptable. Even to get a driver's license you must prove to someone that you are capable of driving and abiding the laws. I would be very uncomfortable if I knew that anyone could go to the emporium, purchase a handgun, and never fire it but merely load and carry. Training and some experience with the weapon is mandatory if for no other reason than to protect the person carrying from placing themselves in a situation where they might spend time in criminal or civil court. Now, the state of Texas sees the CHL as a cash cow. It need not be. The fees we pay for the license should cover the actual costs and nothing more, and the license should signify to the LEOs that we have been previously vetted. Yes, the BG doesn't care about a permit because he doesn't care who the bullet hits. The CHL must pause at times, look beyond the target, and consider the consequences. Minimal training would aid that goal.
Yes, this is why Arizona, Alaska, Vermont and Montana are awash in blood, chaos in the streets and rampant negligent discharges from people who don't know what they're doing.

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by 74novaman
Wed Mar 07, 2012 9:28 am
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: 12 States Considering Permitless Carry Laws
Replies: 33
Views: 4759

Re: 12 States Considering Permitless Carry Laws

Excellent!

Seems to be working okay for Arizona so far. Why not? :coolgleamA:

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