I don't know if preemption was codified. If it was, it was not taken advantage of (Albuquerque, New Mexico). See my previous post in this thread for answers to some of the other questions.Keith B wrote:A couple of questions:PappaGun wrote:I don't agree.mr surveyor wrote: ..Once a few open carried handguns start showing up on the properties of many of these businesses, the owners will actively seek a remedy, and WILL post their properties. That is a fact!...
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Now don't get me wrong. I don't necessarily disagree.
But this has not been my experience.
In my last State of residence, an OC State, there were not many posted locations.
And in my travels to other OC States, I don't see any more posted locations than I do in Texas.
1. Did your state allow cities to put ordinances in place to ban open carry? (City preemption of state law)
2. How many times did you see people actually open carrying in town and in businesses like Wal-Mart and Denny's?
The reason I ask is I lived for 38 years in an open carry state. I can remember 2 times seeing someone actually open carrying. One I had to ask to leave the store when they called the police about a man with a gun walking around their grocery store and I responded (was a LEO then.) The other was when we had a Dallas Days festival and we had 2 or 3 folks with real single action cowboy style pistols on tier belts. However, I do know that they were not loaded as I asked them.
And while you don't see postings, I believe it is because people DON'T regularly open carry in towns, even where it is legal in these states. HOWEVER, if it were to pass in Texas, because it would be something new and unique, everyone and their dog would decide 'Hey, I can strap on my six-shooter and wander around Home Depot'. This would bring so much attention to the new law that businesses would THEN start posting. Now, in rural areas, it might be different, but your urban areas just wouldn't stand for this happing and 30.06 signs would pop up faster than a prairie dog pops in and out out of his hole.
Keith,
I see alot of what I believe are common misconceptions about OC in your reply.
This might be from your LE background?
Again, this is based on my experience only.
I saw no one, 0.00%, OC in rural areas in 27 years. I traveled the state extensively in those years.
I saw 2 people OC in Albuquerque in those years.
The "Hey, I can strap on my six-shooter and wander around Home Depot" is a common fear of LE and municipalites
but it just doesn't seem to happen.
I do believe that there would be a period of adjustment for LE, citizens, municipalities etc., but that in time the dust would settle pretty much where it is now.
Now, having said all this, let me make it clear that I AM NOT for OC.
I simply believe that the fears as commonly expressed, are false.